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Offline mpwcoachsmith

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No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« on: July 20, 2017, 10:33:19 AM »
Anyone run DCWingT without a huddle and wrist-coaches?  I am moving from DCUBSW this year and really liked the no huddle and wrist-coach approach.  I especially liked seeing how the defense was aligned to our formation and then would call the play.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 05:31:27 PM »
I would imagine any Offense would plug into this play calling system.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2017, 08:40:09 AM »
Yeah, I guess I was thinking wrist-coaches might limit some of the adjustments I might want to make during a game.  If anyone has ever used them with DCWingT, I was curious what info they put onto the wrist-coaches.  You could always have base plays and verbally call out the adjustment tags.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2017, 12:04:25 PM »
I haven't had an offensive huddle in so long, I forgot how to do it. I was coaching a camp team last weekend and decided to huddle. It felt . . . .wrong.

We've only used a wrist coach a handful of times and that was mainly due to the OC learning the ropes and Mahonz going all "Sun Tzu" on the offense. QB still made the full play call.

The ways to go no huddle "check with me" are limited only by your imagination. We coach a Fall and a Spring team. Some of the Spring guys will play against us in the Fall, so we "invent" the terminology each season.  I've done it a number of different ways, but we tend to limit using numbers because kids seem to process words and letters better. However, I've used numbers in the past and it works too.

One approach: Use numbers in a way that the opponents think they have figured you out. 3 digit number:
digit 1: package/formation (1 Spread, 2 Pro, 3 Jumbo)
digit 2: ball carrier (6 QB, 7 TB, 8 FB, 9 HB)
digit 3: area of attack/blocking scheme (1 Outside/Power, 2 Outside/Reverse, 3 Off Tackle/Power,  4 Off Tackle/Counter, 5 Inside/Wedge, 6 Inside/Trap)

So Pro TB Sweep becomes "271". Add all the tags you want.

Again, use your imagination, but remember that kids have to understand it. Happy to give you details via PM of how we do it. I'm paranoid that our opponents might be lurking.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 12:06:54 PM »
Yeah, I guess I was thinking wrist-coaches might limit some of the adjustments I might want to make during a game.  If anyone has ever used them with DCWingT, I was curious what info they put onto the wrist-coaches.  You could always have base plays and verbally call out the adjustment tags.
We had a pretty complicated system but managed to get it all on the wrist coaches. Pretty much all of it except the blocking tags which we discussed on the sideline or the center would just call a wash if he needed. We had a few other calls for certain plays but again, they were made at the line when needed. Besides that, all the other formation tags and play tags were all on the bands. 3 panel bands with small font and an abbreviation system that all the kids got down by game one because we used the bands in practice.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 12:15:13 PM »
In a hurry up system, you need to be yelling out the formation as soon as possible. Basically right after the whistle is blown on the last play. Unless you just run one formation. No biggie if they know your formation a second or two ahead of time. Honestly the defense is worried about getting their own play call in so if you go with something different they won't know until they get their play call which is often going to be based on how you align. I had a guy tell me it was a bad idea to yell out the formation because the defense would steal the call. So what? They are going to see it as soon as you line up in it anyway. While they are getting set you can catch them out of position. We caught teams all the time. If defenses lolly gagged they were screwed against us. We often started our cadence almost as soon the ball was readied. You might not get the perfect play but hurry up play calling isn't really about that. It is greatly based on how the defense lined up or what they did on the last play. Think about it, you aren't going to call counter until the defense shows they are vulnerable. Sometimes we waited for the defense to align, especially when changing formations but for the most part we wanted them on their heels and to keep them their.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2017, 12:43:13 PM »
Rob,

Agree. We tend to hurry up in Beast more than our other packages. Once we get the D on their heels, we like to keep them there. My favorite aspect of Beast is that it simply breaks the other team's spirit. Otherwise, we're not necessarily in a hurry. We just like to call plays based on what we're seeing. We also started shifting last Fall and used it quite a bit this Spring. We call it "dancing". Line up in unbalanced Beast, then shift to 5 wide empty and snap the ball. Fun stuff.

We did have a team last Fall who brought the noise. Cow bells, air horns and genetically engineered lungs and vocal chords. That was a big issue for us that game. This year, I'm bringing the big posters.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2017, 01:23:57 PM »
We shifted often as well. But we preferred going dtdw for 5 plays then lining up in trips left. Totally mind f%^& a defense. We played 100% hurry up unless we were in a four minute offense. Still no huddle just slowed down a bunch and went check with me. Hurry up play calling is about getting in a good, not necessarily the best, play asap.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 04:37:55 PM »
The one year I ran the DC Wing T.. about 5 years ago, I just came from running the Air Raid.  Hurry up No Huddle with all wrist bands.  While I was able to make it work with the DC Wing T...it killed my Wing back.   They are jetting almost every play.  If you do that, you need at least 2 wingbacks, probably three though.   Actually having three kids that can play it is another story.

Just my two cents... I would not run hurry up no huddle with the DC Wing T because of exhausting my wingback... maybe if he was only playing on offense.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 12:50:55 AM »
Yeah, I guess I was thinking wrist-coaches might limit some of the adjustments I might want to make during a game.  If anyone has ever used them with DCWingT, I was curious what info they put onto the wrist-coaches.  You could always have base plays and verbally call out the adjustment tags.

Exactly what we did. We would yell Red 137 Nasty/Spread/Super ect.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 01:11:17 PM »
The other thing I liked about no huddle is that it doesn't necessarily mean "hurry up".  The pace is under my control and slowing things down is easy.   Fast or Slow is built-in to the approach and practice.

How have DCWingT coaches, or any coaches for that matter, that huddle practiced "hurry up" mode for when you need it?  I want to minimize practice time devoted to it...

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 01:17:09 PM »
When we played teams we were grossly outmatched- we went max slowdown- didnt snap ball until less than 5 seconds left
Helped our kids from not having to run back and forth to the huddle
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 03:47:16 PM »
The other thing I liked about no huddle is that it doesn't necessarily mean "hurry up".  The pace is under my control and slowing things down is easy.   Fast or Slow is built-in to the approach and practice.

How have DCWingT coaches, or any coaches for that matter, that huddle practiced "hurry up" mode for when you need it?  I want to minimize practice time devoted to it...

When you rep plays as a team... do it on air, not scrimmage. Have two groups.  You call the cadence otherwise the kids will take too long.  Set cones up ten yards past the LOS and ten yards behind the LOS.  Have an assistant spotting the ball.  Kids line up,  you call in the play.  Then you start the cadence.   The kids must sprint out past the ten yard cones in front then run outside the play area behind the back set of cones and wait.  The second group sprints from the second set of cones behind the LOS and lines up as soon as the other group starts to sprint out to far cones.   You get many reps in, conditioning and working with two groups.  FYI.. you don't make kids in both groups sprint out  ex.. qb is backup wingback, or tb is backup wingback..


When I rep plays I will have them huddle if I am running plays in and use the same format with the cones... this is how I prep them for game calling and situations.    Now you can control the pace.  When I want to go max slowdown, I have the QB look at me and I point at him when to start the cadence.   I do let the white hat know ahead of time that I will do max slowdown sometimes and I would like to see the 5 second count (if there is no playclock).  He will say OK then you can watch for him to signal by knifing his hand parallel to the ground. When you see the first one you start the cadence..

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2017, 03:15:24 AM »
Been running no huddle DCWT for years now. Works just fine for us.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2017, 08:44:43 AM »
Josh
How do you do it.... 3 digit number system on wrist coaches??

When I've done it in the pat I just used 2 pre-determined plays on a wrist coach and sent the QB a hand signal to select the pair i wanted run.
would love to know a better way.
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