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Offline joshv155

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 12:59:07 AM »
Josh
How do you do it.... 3 digit number system on wrist coaches??

When I've done it in the pat I just used 2 pre-determined plays on a wrist coach and sent the QB a hand signal to select the pair i wanted run.
would love to know a better way.
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I hate wrist coaches. I did them one year and never again. Spent hundreds of hours setting them up and I was still looking at a play calling sheet for the #'s.

I use Mahonz check with me. I yell in the formation, see how the D lines up then yell in the play. QB echoes it to both sides. I just changed the back #'s to letters so 24 wasn't so obvious. Changed some of the cue names like power became pistol...prob didn't need to change that one, the defense has no idea what it means anyways. Whatever verbage you use make it so it's something you remember and lets the kids have input.

Example: Backs  Over 26 power was Backs over Bravo 6 pistol (I think) I'd add a zero on and make it Bravo 60 pistol if I ran it again in the same series so it wasn't so obvious. Only one player on one team every figured Out the hole we were running at.

Less time comsuming and now you are watching the D not your play calling sheet.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 01:09:47 AM »
I hate wrist coaches. I did them one year and never again. Spent hundreds of hours setting them up and I was still looking at a play calling sheet for the #'s.

I use Mahonz check with me. I yell in the formation, see how the D lines up then yell in the play. QB echoes it to both sides. I just changed the back #'s to letters so 24 wasn't so obvious. Changed some of the cue names like power became pistol...prob didn't need to change that one, the defense has no idea what it means anyways. Whatever verbage you use make it so it's something you remember and lets the kids have input.

Example: Backs  Over 26 power was Backs over Bravo 6 pistol (I think) I'd add a zero on and make it Bravo 60 pistol if I ran it again in the same series so it wasn't so obvious. Only one player on one team every figured Out the hole we were running at.

Less time comsuming and now you are watching the D not your play calling sheet.

We had a kid this Spring try to figure it out. We call out the formation like you, so we called "44 Right!", which means H back aligns at 4, stays at 4, TE on the right. The other team's Mike yelled out "4 back, 4 hole, Right side!"

Got a chuckle out of that, but gave him mad respect for trying.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2017, 11:01:41 AM »
I hate wrist coaches. I did them one year and never again. Spent hundreds of hours setting them up and I was still looking at a play calling sheet for the #'s.

I use Mahonz check with me. I yell in the formation, see how the D lines up then yell in the play. QB echoes it to both sides. I just changed the back #'s to letters so 24 wasn't so obvious. Changed some of the cue names like power became pistol...prob didn't need to change that one, the defense has no idea what it means anyways. Whatever verbage you use make it so it's something you remember and lets the kids have input.

Example: Backs  Over 26 power was Backs over Bravo 6 pistol (I think) I'd add a zero on and make it Bravo 60 pistol if I ran it again in the same series so it wasn't so obvious. Only one player on one team every figured Out the hole we were running at.

Less time comsuming and now you are watching the D not your play calling sheet.

J

Good stuff.

We graduated and named our holes since then. Its a special word spelled out with 7 letters. 

So now your play call would be .....Backs Over Bravo Whiskey Pistol.

Backs over for us was Goofy. They might have changed that last Spring though. I dont remember.

So....Goofy Bravo Whiskey Pistol. The only "math" left is the formations which sounds like a good thing per Gumbys post.   :)

Riding Goofy is a snowboarding term. Something to do with how you buckle in. Im not a snowboarder. You ride Regualr or you ride Goofy. The kids came up with that one. Its amazing how many keywords the kids come up with that fit the blueprint. Our QB came up with the term used for QB sneak.

Attached is my play call sheet the last time I called plays which if I remember right was a Championship game where we won by 33.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2017, 11:14:47 AM »
J

Good stuff.

We graduated and named our holes since then. Its a special word spelled out with 7 letters. 

So now your play call would be .....Backs Over Bravo Whiskey Pistol.

Backs over for us was Goofy. They might have changed that last Spring though. I dont remember.

So....Goofy Bravo Whiskey Pistol. The only "math" left is the formations which sounds like a good thing per Gumbys post.   :)

Riding Goofy is a snowboarding term. Something to do with how you buckle in. Im not a snowboarder. You ride Regualr or you ride Goofy. The kids came up with that one. Its amazing how many keywords the kids come up with that fit the blueprint. Our QB came up with the term used for QB sneak.

Attached is my play call sheet the last time I called plays which if I remember right was a Championship game where we won by 33.



Nice play sheet... blank piece of paper.  shouldve seen that one coming

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2017, 06:10:29 PM »
Example

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2017, 09:25:24 AM »
I hate wrist coaches. I did them one year and never again. Spent hundreds of hours setting them up and I was still looking at a play calling sheet for the #'s.

I use Mahonz check with me. I yell in the formation, see how the D lines up then yell in the play. QB echoes it to both sides. I just changed the back #'s to letters so 24 wasn't so obvious. Changed some of the cue names like power became pistol...prob didn't need to change that one, the defense has no idea what it means anyways. Whatever verbage you use make it so it's something you remember and lets the kids have input.

Example: Backs  Over 26 power was Backs over Bravo 6 pistol (I think) I'd add a zero on and make it Bravo 60 pistol if I ran it again in the same series so it wasn't so obvious. Only one player on one team every figured Out the hole we were running at.

Less time comsuming and now you are watching the D not your play calling sheet.

100s of hours?  ::) ::)

Ive done it this way for 19 seasons and we only change the wrist coaches 3 times a season
We have a template
We change out 3-5 plays or add etc- takes less than 10 minutes max
We push print  for  30 of them- 3 to a sheet- so again 5 minutes max- mine takes less than 90 seconds
Then cuttting them- I have a paper cutter- again 4-5 minutes max

Laminating- that is the only thing that takes time- 10 sheets- 20 minutes max  each sheet takes less than 60 seconds
Cutting them out- again 4-5 minutes
Putting them in wrist coaches- take the old ones out, put new ones in 10 minutes

Write up new play card- for coaches so you dont have to look for them on wrist coach- 10 minutes max

I wash them weekly- and air dry with the inserts in- that means loading them in the washer and putting them on the dryer- 5 minutes max

Not seeing 100s of hours

As to numbering vs having the kids have to memorize a bunch of individual signals or words
Numbering is logical- the kids get 0-9 once they get 1 number, they can easily get the rest- its logical

OTOH having to memorize a bunch words to mean certain things the players do on the field
And then you have to memorize what that hand signal means as it correlates to the word or words you used to teach your play
No one is teaching hey this is the play- hand over heart- for their entire playbook
They are teaching a play has a name- one level of memorization- then a signal means the same thing as that play- memorizing 2 things
Not something some of our MPRs are all going to always get

When you do numbers and wristbands of even words and wristbands- you only memorize one thing- not 2

Can you do signals with a tiny playbook ?' sure
Can you do a big playbook with signals- sure if you have the time and few MPRs- go for it

Personally I like to make it as easy as I can for the kids
If I have to spend a few hours (not hundreds) making it work for the kids- no worries
Lots of guys travel and spend 100s of hours scouting- what's a handful more  ;D
« Last Edit: July 31, 2017, 10:12:58 AM by davecisar »
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2017, 11:06:27 AM »
100s of hours?  ::) ::)

Ive done it this way for 19 seasons and we only change the wrist coaches 3 times a season
We have a template
We change out 3-5 plays or add etc- takes less than 10 minutes max
We push print  for  30 of them- 3 to a sheet- so again 5 minutes max- mine takes less than 90 seconds
Then cuttting them- I have a paper cutter- again 4-5 minutes max

Laminating- that is the only thing that takes time- 10 sheets- 20 minutes max  each sheet takes less than 60 seconds
Cutting them out- again 4-5 minutes
Putting them in wrist coaches- take the old ones out, put new ones in 10 minutes

Write up new play card- for coaches so you dont have to look for them on wrist coach- 10 minutes max

I wash them weekly- and air dry with the inserts in- that means loading them in the washer and putting them on the dryer- 5 minutes max

Not seeing 100s of hours

As to numbering vs having the kids have to memorize a bunch of individual signals or words
Numbering is logical- the kids get 0-9 once they get 1 number, they can easily get the rest- its logical

OTOH having to memorize a bunch words to mean certain things the players do on the field
And then you have to memorize what that hand signal means as it correlates to the word or words you used to teach your play
No one is teaching hey this is the play- hand over heart- for their entire playbook
They are teaching a play has a name- one level of memorization- then a signal means the same thing as that play- memorizing 2 things
Not something some of our MPRs are all going to always get

When you do numbers and wristbands of even words and wristbands- you only memorize one thing- not 2

Can you do signals with a tiny playbook ?' sure
Can you do a big playbook with signals- sure if you have the time and few MPRs- go for it

Personally I like to make it as easy as I can for the kids
If I have to spend a few hours (not hundreds) making it work for the kids- no worries
Lots of guys travel and spend 100s of hours scouting- what's a handful more  ;D

You are not appreciating your audience here. This is a DCWT Thread so lots of cues. There is even one to change the Splits.

To do wrist coaches without a boat load of hours changing them would probably require a split system of wrist coaches that adds a verbal cue. Its why the Thread was started....its something DCWT coaches dont do because the system is....well...endless. Using wrist coaches creates limits.

I think you can apply an all 11 wrist coach system but you would have to have a check with me or hand signal systems to support it is my thinking. You are trying to "sell" a system that works for you but might fall short for the DCWT.

When Josh say 100's of hours....he is not exaggerating. I cant get the complete DCWT on a QB's wrist coach for traditional huddle up play calling. I have to pick and chose. Plus Im sure it took you a ton of hours to create your first system considering trials and errors and streamlining. Josh was creating something that does not exist. You list examples of time spent when you are in plug and play mode. Big difference.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2017, 11:46:19 AM »
Why would ever put the whole playbook on a wrist coach, just put the plays you are going to run on them and if you run more than 24 different plays in one game it's my opinion that's too many. You can add adjustment tags to the play.

Ex: Cowboy 146 "maxi". #4 being the hot #.

Pretty simple.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2017, 11:56:30 AM »
Why would ever put the whole playbook on a wrist coach

So you never have to update the wrist coach....but....it wont fit unless you separate out the cues. 

This would be for advanced users like you or Josh that use a good portion of the playbook. The newer user probably needs to start with a base so it would be much easier to apply to a wrist coach system.

Yet....

I think the OP....that used Cisars system and really liked it and started this Thread thinking.... OK....this DCWT is a different animal. Anything is possible but is it worthwhile. Maybe Clark has tried something in the past. I cant remember.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2017, 12:06:55 PM »
I think the OP....that used Cisars system and really liked it and started this Thread thinking.... OK....this DCWT is a different animal. Anything is possible but is it worthwhile.
^^^^Yeah was looking to see what others have done with this system regarding no huddle.

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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2017, 12:26:37 PM »
^^^^Yeah was looking to see what others have done with this system regarding no huddle.

I think a wrist coach system could work if you cherry pick your plays and cues.

But here is the thing with the Wing T....any Wing T. Its what I consider a Lego Offense meaning you have a foundation that uses red pieces and a foundation that uses yellow pieces and a foundation that uses white pieces and you can build a skyscraper off any of those foundations using any pieces.

Is that necessary in youth ball? Clarks DCWT allows for that so why limit yourself its my thought.

Base 47 Speed may work well vs this team but needs a twist vs that team, for example.... or even during the same game.

And sure other systems use multiple bases and build from there but the Wing T purists seem to have taken that to knew heights and boy to they use funny names. Probably why they like the 3 digit system...a system I have studied and still dont quite understand.

The only system that I have discovered that can be endless....Check With Me married with a numbering system for the formations.

Plus we all have our own little discoveries even with a system that has been around a long time and proven like Clarks DCWT or Daves UBSW. It would be dumb not to include those as well. How can you create a wrist coach system and then rarely have to redo them I think is the big question here.

Me?...I have no clue how one would go about that using the DCWT but anything is possible.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2017, 12:47:03 PM »
You are not appreciating your audience here. This is a DCWT Thread so lots of cues. There is even one to change the Splits.

To do wrist coaches without a boat load of hours changing them would probably require a split system of wrist coaches that adds a verbal cue. Its why the Thread was started....its something DCWT coaches dont do because the system is....well...endless. Using wrist coaches creates limits.

I think you can apply an all 11 wrist coach system but you would have to have a check with me or hand signal systems to support it is my thinking. You are trying to "sell" a system that works for you but might fall short for the DCWT.

When Josh say 100's of hours....he is not exaggerating. I cant get the complete DCWT on a QB's wrist coach for traditional huddle up play calling. I have to pick and chose. Plus Im sure it took you a ton of hours to create your first system considering trials and errors and streamlining. Josh was creating something that does not exist. You list examples of time spent when you are in plug and play mode. Big difference.

We use lots of tags as well for advanced users- some even for the littlest guys
There could be 100s of combinations if you added them all up
We just use the word at the end of the coded number
For the ones we use the most- some of those may be on the wrist band- the big ones hold 30 plays

SIMPLE stuff

As to 100s of hours- I dont buy it
If  say the hundreds of hours means 300 hours- that would be almost 2 full months 8 hours a day, every day  of doing nothing but wrist coaches- I really dont think so   ::) ::)
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2017, 12:55:49 PM »
We use lots of tags as well for advanced users- some even for the littlest guys
There could be 100s of combinations if you added them all up
We just use the word at the end of the coded number
For the ones we use the most- some of those may be on the wrist band- the big ones hold 30 plays

SIMPLE stuff

As to 100s of hours- I dont buy it
If  say the hundreds of hours means 300 hours- that would be almost 2 full months 8 hours a day, every day  of doing nothing but wrist coaches- I really dont think so   ::) ::)

If it simple stuff then maybe you can help the OP set one up for the DCWT. He used your system in the past so there is familiarity.

But you might have to use the triple window wrist coaches that holds 90 plays.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2017, 01:06:15 PM »
Dave, I suppose you designed your offense. you may have more insight into it than anyone else.
Clark designed his offense, I suppose he has more insight and wouldn't take any time to design wrist coaches.

I have ran Clarks O for the last 6 seasons of my coaching career. I did run yours. Clarks playcalling system comes from Don Shulas, lots of variety. The wrist coach wouldn't hold enough information, so it has to be specific to each position.

I have spent a ton of time on wrist coaches. I don't doubt you wouldn't spend much time on your wrist coaches.
I wouldn't doubt Josh spent a ton of friggen time on his either. Had good conversations with Josh. Clarks offense is just very Open.
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Re: No Huddle and wrist-coaches
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2017, 01:19:12 PM »
If it simple stuff then maybe you can help the OP set one up for the DCWT. He used your system in the past so there is familiarity.

But you might have to use the triple window wrist coaches that holds 90 plays.

Like I said add a simple tag

If you want to run 16 Power Nasty Tunnel and 16 Power is black 123
Then you call out black 123 and yell the words nasty tunnel

Want to split the 2 out- yell the tag- which for us is Omaha
Want to not pull the guard- yell out the tag no

Very Simple stuff

For plays you use a lot of say for us Nasty Tunnel 16 power- that play will be on the wrist coaches
For other tags- formations, blocking-we just call them out
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