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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2011, 04:56:53 PM »
So then what would the proper call be for a toss play that pulls both guards?

Cuz we been doing it! LOL!
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 05:02:56 PM »
I'll try to pull both Gs, tell the RT to block down hard and then have the WB power block/crack the DE

No.  WB has man over RT.  FB has DE.  You are leaving a "4" or "5' tech unblocked.  Requires good timing by WB so that WB and RG don't collide.

Or do others block it differently than this?

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 05:14:07 PM »
You have no idea how stupid I feel right now. I have been having this problem all year. LOL!

Well the good news is this way is much better. Although I am still gonna pull both guards. And just give em specific targets to block.

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 06:31:20 PM »
We run it like this....right or wrong I dunno but it has been a huge success for us.

Its 38 Power Toss or Backs Over 37 Power Toss. WB Takes man in the 8/7 hole (usually a DE). Both Guards Pull. Try and get the playside guard to the corner but we tell him never, ever pass up an ugly jersey...so who he gets varies. Backside guard most of the time doesn't make it in front of the play but gets in the way of LB's who are pursuing wrong or if my HB learns how to cut back inside he would actually be effective. FB takes his 3 steps then looks for the first ugly jersey...sometime ILB, sometimes not. But he has been a huge factor in our success cause he is a bull. QB pitches and gets out front of the HB to lead block.

So we have 4 lead blockers (5 if you count WB) It looks like a big wall for our team. Most teams play a 6-2 against us. The DG have yet to cause problems for us when our guards pull. Seems like these our the MPP for the other team...usually bear crawling so when they get off their hands and knees its to late.

We have 3 TD's off these plays in 2 games....and then we run a reverse off both that kills the other team. Both teams we faced have not stopped our toss (we stopped it ourselves here and there with fumbles or bad pitches to HB) so there entire team tries to chase down our HB.....and when we see the backside corner doing this we run reverse and have scored on that twice....WB was never touched on either TD.

So this has worked for us....I guess I am not doing it like the manual....
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 06:50:54 PM »
We do it pretty much the same way...reverse and all. Your right...works like a charm.

Our only problems we have is when our HB outruns his blockers, or our Guys cant get outside fast enough.

But yeah...its been pretty effective.

Hey josh do you got any video of it? PM Me I'd like to see if you do it like we do.

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2011, 08:32:51 PM »
If you do have video, can I take a peek too?

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2011, 08:33:47 PM »
For sure...gimme a minute to finish what i'm doing and i'll put the links in your pm.
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 12:19:01 PM »
Changed this last night to pull both G's.  WOW!  Huge difference.

We're running it as 38 Power Toss with the WB cracking the DE and the FB tracking similar to "option" to get the the CB.  Wall of kids running down field.

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 12:33:41 PM »
I happen to like pulling both G's. If running to SE side and pulling both the LT blocks down towards A gap, LG KO the DT and the backside guard pulls up thru alley created, this play, believe it or not, is quick hitting, just as quick as a guard pulling on trap, you could run many backfield actions to marry well with this block. It basically looks as a playside cross block and pulling the backside G up thru.

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 12:48:34 PM »
Hahaha ive been running toss multiple ways but i pulled psg last night to so... I had fb on and wb on(i call this backs on) super 36 toss "special" here we pull bsg and bst aling with front side gaurd. It is the best play to watch develop.
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 03:32:08 PM »
Changed this last night to pull both G's.  WOW!  Huge difference.

We're running it as 38 Power Toss with the WB cracking the DE and the FB tracking similar to "option" to get the the CB.  Wall of kids running down field.

Who has a "4" or "5" tech?
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 03:52:49 PM »
Our next opponent plays 1,3,7 techs.  Just about every team our league plays a 5-3 of some sort.  If we do see any adjustments, we'll remove the "power" cue and send WB into nasty split and let play side G take DE.   We would still have numbers going our way.

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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 04:00:57 PM »
Our next opponent plays 1,3,7 techs.  Just about every team our league plays a 5-3 of some sort.  If we do see any adjustments, we'll remove the "power" cue and send WB into nasty split and let play side G take DE.   We would still have numbers going our way.

In DCWT, the RG always pulls around the RT versus a "3". 
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Re: Problems with Toss
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 06:00:53 PM »
Yeah - I have not quite broken through to my lineman to auto cross or fold block, so I generally call the scheme in the play call (for now).  Ex. 24 cross if I see a 3-tech - or - just 24 if they are <3 tech and let the RT GOL into the LBs (assuming DE is outside TE).

This will come to pass though when one of our opponents realizes they can shift their DTs in and out of 3-tech and screw with my play calling.  As we get further along will get the Ts and Gs to read and call their own schemes - we've begun to introduce this with some success.   When that happens I will be one happy coach.