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Offline rajo67

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SAB and DCWT
« on: March 24, 2017, 01:12:37 PM »
Anyone ever run this offense using SAB?  If so, mind me asking how you did it and how well it worked?

Offline Dusty Ol Fart

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2017, 01:40:45 PM »
When we ran the Winged T we used SAB (Scoop, Area, Backer) it does work.   However, IMHO, there has to be a designation for Gapped defenders.  In our case Scoop and Area were ON, And Play side Gap.   That works all the way down the LOS including back side.

That way everyone knows they have the man ON or Gapped Playside (if no one on).  Technically it should also account for a LB or 2.  That being said, you still cant block 6 with 5 or 7 with 6.  That's where WE coaches have to adjust. 

Essentially.  Play going right, everyone knows any Defender On or gapped to my right is Mine.  We dont worry about the Back Side DE!  If he is making those tackles, I suggest, you have more than blocking to worry about! 

Hope this makes sense.
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Offline PSLCOACHROB

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 02:29:21 PM »
Are you talking what Dusty describes or severe angle blocking?

Offline rajo67

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 04:10:07 PM »
Yeah, sorry...meant Severe Angle Blocking.  There are a few plays drawn up using it in the manual, and I have a presentation I downloaded some time ago for double wing.  I was wondering if anyone tried it for DCWT.

Offline Wing-n-It

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2017, 08:13:07 AM »
Yeah, sorry...meant Severe Angle Blocking.  There are a few plays drawn up using it in the manual, and I have a presentation I downloaded some time ago for double wing.  I was wondering if anyone tried it for DCWT.
I used it with a TKO (which I think is the younger kin to SAB)
The Sab is good till you get a hard crashing end.
With the rules of the TE in this offense the TKO works.
Robert

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Offline coacharnold

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2017, 10:31:06 AM »
Anyone ever run this offense using SAB?  If so, mind me asking how you did it and how well it worked?

We don't run DCWT, but we do run a shotgun Wing-T thing at the HS level and SAB works great.

We run a lot of Power, Counter, and Buck Sweep with SAB as our bread and butter (plus Inside Zone, Iso, and Trap).  With the way we block it, Buck Sweep is just Power, but one hole wider and with a playside OL pulling and kicking out the DE instead of a FB.

It works very well, but we adjust our track a little differently.  We have the OL open up flat and the TE/WB follow a track through the hip of a 3 tech (or an imaginary 3 tech).  Then the whole playside will work to the shoulder of the BSLB (or MLB if we see a 4-3 or 3-3 stack) with their eyes inside.

Have your TE step flat with their inside foot and get their head in front of a 5 or 7 tech DE who is crashing hard.  The TE can cut down his split or you can widen him into a Nasty split and put him in a 3 pt. stance to see if the DE widens with him.  We like to kick a 9 tech DE who's containing with Power or Counter and will run Buck Sweep at a 5 or 7 tech DE to downblock one who's crashing hard.  We basically just pick an OL with a hands or a little bit of speed to play TE for us because his downblocking is vital.

Offline dan82564

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2017, 04:57:18 PM »
Coach Arnold, How do you block on the SE side? TKO wouldn't work if the DT / DE was lined up head up or outside OT

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2017, 12:07:25 PM »
Coach Arnold, How do you block on the SE side? TKO wouldn't work if the DT / DE was lined up head up or outside OT

We don't run Buck Sweep to the weak side.

We will run Power and especially Counter weak, we do use the same system and kick out the DE with a FB while the BSG wraps around for PSLB.  If we see a 50 front with the DT head up and DE outside him, we don't run it weak.

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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 01:10:45 PM »
I Always sweep to the "weak"  side

The more you space out the DE with alignment the easier it is to stop the sweep. I never understood that way of thinking. I rarely block the DE. Very rarely
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Re: SAB and DCWT
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 01:48:40 PM »
I Always sweep to the "weak"  side

The more you space out the DE with alignment the easier it is to stop the sweep. I never understood that way of thinking. I rarely block the DE. Very rarely

We run Buck Sweep strong so we can outflank the DE and block down on him with a WB or TE on Buck Sweep.  Because of this, our TB is aligned opposite the strength and we'd rather keep him there.  If we run a sweep to the weak side, we also don't have as good a down blocker there without tipping our hats too much, so we use Jet Sweep weak, which we block similar to Power but with the TB logging the DE.  If we have a wide 9 tech DE to the strong side to set the edge, we'd rather run Power or Counter at him and kick him out.

The old Wing-T thinking was Buck Series to attack the strong side, Belly Series (including either Belly Sweep or Belly Option) to attack the weak side, then maybe 1 other series in to feature your most talented player's abilities that season.  It was all about messing with the DE as the key to the defense.

We are a HS team and we are in the gun.  Depending on how the DE is bothering us, we can either kick him, pin him, log him, base him, or read him.