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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 07:22:07 AM »
They have to be spill players here and have to have the ability to cover the flats . To me this is exactly why we can get creative at OLBER in 3-4 or odd stack and even with these 2 schemes those position requirements are different. Weather 5-2 ,3-4,3-5,5-3 or 3-3 those outside guys still have to play outside arm free so in either scheme that is consistent. Coverage responsibility and how your playing run alignment wise is what will decipher route you take..
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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2018, 11:47:24 AM »
In my area people say they done have the lbs.  They play stand up 9 tech def ends and have 3 lbs. Which to me is 3 down with 5 backers.  If your run any 8 man box defense you can run 3-4 with littler trouble

The 50/3-4 front and variation is fantastic.  No youre probably not gonna run Parcells 3 gap unless you play in unweighted or legit have kids who can take up a double team.

I've spoken to Joe years ago about his 50 and  we implemented this on a team i was helping as an asst and they did just fine.
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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2018, 05:52:45 PM »
Z

I just think it's funny how what was old is now new again. The big change for me was to understand those OLB's. Once that became clear & how to use the 2 high structure; it brought back all the good things we would do.

Being a firm believer in playing 1 gap & attacking it has all came full circle. The really intriguing thing is having the ability to make up for individual players weaknesses. We had a very inexperienced ILB so we blitzed him over 90% of the time. He played like a stud.

There are all these little adjustments to fit any individual team.

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2018, 07:11:36 PM »
Z

I just think it's funny how what was old is now new again. The big change for me was to understand those OLB's. Once that became clear & how to use the 2 high structure; it brought back all the good things we would do.

Being a firm believer in playing 1 gap & attacking it has all came full circle. The really intriguing thing is having the ability to make up for individual players weaknesses. We had a very inexperienced ILB so we blitzed him over 90% of the time. He played like a stud.

There are all these little adjustments to fit any individual team.

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Coach with younger teams who face more run first offenses would you still use a two high structure?  Or would you use the SS as more of a monster type ?

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 08:07:41 PM »
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We played a 5-2 Slanting Monster for many years & were highly successful. Playing the 1 high structure was fine until various offenses devised ways to exploit this. The whole idea here is adapting the origins to a 2 high structure. I think at the youth level it is even more conducive to the 2 high structure. In the base look those Safeties are at 6 1/2 yds so they are in the box for the run game. Doing it this way allows the defense to adjust super fast without a lot of movement.

We teach the OLB's & the Safeties the same reads, so you will definitely get more bang for your buck, & be able to move players around without a learning curve. This becomes even more important with a youth team. If you see a lot of 3-2 personnel it is a perfect answer.

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 09:17:11 PM »
Beans

We played a 5-2 Slanting Monster for many years & were highly successful. Playing the 1 high structure was fine until various offenses devised ways to exploit this. The whole idea here is adapting the origins to a 2 high structure. I think at the youth level it is even more conducive to the 2 high structure. In the base look those Safeties are at 6 1/2 yds so they are in the box for the run game. Doing it this way allows the defense to adjust super fast without a lot of movement.

We teach the OLB's & the Safeties the same reads, so you will definitely get more bang for your buck, & be able to move players around without a learning curve. This becomes even more important with a youth team. If you see a lot of 3-2 personnel it is a perfect answer.

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So Iím assuming when youíre talking about 2 high in this example youíre talking about Cover 4 where both safeties rotate down post snap in run support based off their reads, correct? 

The difference being C4 would give you a 9 man box where as in a traditional monster you rotate pre snap and have an 8 man box.

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2018, 10:20:25 PM »
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That's the beauty of it. You can have a 7,8, or 9 man box depending on D&D or opponent. All by running simple coverages & not having to change alignments.

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2018, 12:03:27 PM »
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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2018, 06:34:18 PM »
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You know how I felt about our 4-4, running the 3-4 is really back to my roots. Once I understood the OLB's & the Safety's fits it became clear to me.

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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2018, 07:26:52 PM »
I'm staying w the 4-4 this year mostly bc I don't want to switch things on my coaches at this point and we both know it works very well at the youth level when coached. But if I were at the HS level, I would def be running a 3-4 base.

The article really stresses an under front to the field but I know we're both fans of switching up fronts. Do you guys ever flip the Jack to the field side with the Sam, similar to our Rover call?

Seems like a great 3x1 adjustment where you can still get a hard edge on both sides but now have an Over front to the field (Field DE in a 3, NT in a backside 1, Boundary DE in a 5). Attach Sam or Jack (personnel dependent) on Field side.
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Re: 3-4 a new look at the old ways!
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2018, 08:21:43 PM »
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We don't vs a regular 3x1,but I like that vs 3x1 with a te.

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