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DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« on: May 14, 2015, 10:33:56 AM »
Base rule thoughts (I know for some teams you may want to hit the TE) talking about a base rule.

DE From the 4-4:

Hit the TE.

or

Get upfield to near back.

or

else?

Sam talking about outside strongside LB.    Jam the TE or just read him inside, outside block or release?   Do we want to force him into an inside or outside release from cover 3?

Should the Sam carry a seam route if outside receiver is going deep too?  From cover 3.

Thanks,

Dan







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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 10:37:50 AM »
What tech is the end...9/6/7?
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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 11:27:30 AM »
9 tech vs. a TE.

Jr says to to come across 2 steps tracking near back.

I guess it would be a situational thing.   I like to take away the TE as much as possible because that's usually a top athlete so I might hit him.




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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 12:03:21 PM »
Dan

Our base alignment is a 6I(7) not a 9. If & when we do play a 9 they are playing through the v of the TE neck.

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 12:17:50 PM »
I do believe your Sam is right there as well.  Its been a couple years since I have run the Split however, I seem to remember that the DE Job is essentially getting to the QB The OSLB Job is Near Back.  As far as the TE I believe the alignment alone will slow him down.  No Free Release. 

I dont have my notes in front of me.   

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 12:18:53 PM »
9 tech vs. a TE.

Jr says to to come across 2 steps tracking near back.

I guess it would be a situational thing.   I like to take away the TE as much as possible because that's usually a top athlete so I might hit him.

Also if im not mistaken JR usually has a 7 tech and a 9 tech vs a TE. 


    E  T  G  C
  9  7   

The 7 is the sam and he presses the TE and "retreats"(im sure JR has a better term)
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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2015, 12:37:52 PM »
Dan

Our base alignment is a 6I(7) not a 9. If & when we do play a 9 they are playing through the v of the TE neck.

Joe

From Jr's doc:

HAMMER
(Strong End)   2 pt .- inside foot up
Wide 9 technique(1yd outside TE)
2 read steps across LOS, keep shoulders square and outside arm and leg free   Near back, man on (TE)

   Flow to - D Gap contain, squeeze field, take on blockers with inside shoulder
Flow away trail deepest back looking for bootleg and reverse
Flow outside fight outside keeping shoulders square,  maintain outside leverage
Option 1st threat   Rush QBs outside in landmark is QBs near shoulder

Darn it Joe,

I originally had him as a 7 on paper ( you wouldn't know that) and you told me to follow Jr. since he did the same as you.

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2015, 12:47:54 PM »
Dan:

Now tell us where the Sam is in that Alignment.  Essentially the TE is bracketed by the DE and Sam.  Not many Youth TE's can execute a Reach Block with great success. 

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2015, 12:48:58 PM »
Dan

I said JR & I do a lot of things similar. Not everything.

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2015, 01:51:47 PM »
9 tech generally shouldnt touch the te

6/7 things are different
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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2015, 01:54:29 PM »
Zach

6,6I(7), or 9 all need to collision the TE. I never give the TE a free release. Tell your man to put his hand down & play through the V of the TE's neck.

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2015, 02:01:55 PM »
Zach

6,6I(7), or 9 all need to collision the TE. I never give the TE a free release. Tell your man to put his hand down & play through the V of the TE's neck.

Joe

I associate a 9 on this site as a wide 9... if its a 9 tech like the book I agree...

So much confusion lol
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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2015, 02:06:33 PM »
Zach

I call that an 8.

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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2015, 02:23:26 PM »
Ok ive heard others call that an 8 (rutgers coach did too)

So to recap

------------TE
--------8-9-6-7

Now thats not confusing at all...I kid of coarse
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Re: DE Jam TE or no? Sam?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2015, 07:29:10 PM »
9 tech vs. a TE.

Jr says to to come across 2 steps tracking near back.

I guess it would be a situational thing.   I like to take away the TE as much as possible because that's usually a top athlete so I might hit him.


In our alignment, the defensive end aligns on air (8 or wide 9 tech) outside the TE.  He is not collisioning the TE unless he blocks out for some reason.

The Sam linebacker is head up or inside shade on the TE (6 or 7 technique). If the tight end widens more than six feet (i.e., takes a nasty split), he changes position with the strong end and aligns in a wide 9 technique head up the tight end.  If there is no tight end, he aligns three yards off and outside the tackle.   By having the strong end in a 9 technique and Sam in 7 technique, the defense can exert an extreme amount of pressure on the sweep, off-tackle and option plays. Sam is responsible for the C gap on runs towards him, on run away he should sink his hips and cross key the far back checking for counter and reverse.  When he is certain that he is not threatened by these plays, he should sink back and pursue down the line checking for cutback

Sam has two primary keys.  The tight end is his pressure key and the near back is his visual key.  Sam is focused on the action of the tight end prior to and at the snap to determine run or pass.  If Sam feels any pressure from the tight end he reads run and reacts to the near back, blocking scheme and ball level.  If the TE releases on a pass route, Sam drops to the flat zone when in base coverage (See diagram below).

When he is in a 7 technique, Sam uses a two point stance with his outside foot staggered back in a heel to toe relationship splitting the crotch of the tight end.  His hips should be sunk into a quarter squat position with his hands positioned slightly outside of his knees with palms facing inside. His weight should be slightly on the balls of his feet so that the heels clear the ground.  At the snap, Sam takes a power step (read step) with his outside foot rotating and pivoting on his inside leg.  He shoots the heels of his hands to the top of the numbers of the tight end.  On contact, explode the hips into the tight end and try to get extension.  Sam needs to flatten any inside release of the tight end down the line of scrimmage clogging the C gap.  Sams objective is to trap the tight end on the line of scrimmage and keep him off the inside linebackers until he diagnoses the play:
  • If the tight end down blocks and near back attacks the defensive end, Sam squeezes the tight end over to D gap staying square, keeping inside arm free, controlling C gap and locate ball. (Figure 1.a)
  • If the tight end blocks out, Sam should look immediately inside for kick out block by the near back or interior lineman.  If the near back goes away, cross key far back and look for interior line coming inside out. On all kick out blocks, Sam attacks block with his inside shoulder maintaining proper leverage keeping outside leg and arm free and bend to the football. (Figure 1.b and 1.c)
  • Sams normal option responsibility is the pitch.  If Sam is being base blocked or hooked by the tight end and the backfield action is dive option, Sam contains the pitch laterally using a 45 pursuit angle to the pitch.  However, if the tight end blocks out and the backfield action is dive option, Sam must react back inside and play the QB by attacking the mesh.  Against option teams, we will switch pitch and quarterback responsibilities with the end and Sam with the use of various x and blood stunts.  See defensive end play thread for further discussion.

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