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Offline COACH JC

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 06:05:54 PM »
I agree, and I am not sure our differences do not stop at politics, just me though.

Ha ha. Usually the people I argue w/ the most, I have the most in common w/.
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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 06:23:54 PM »
Whats the measure of good defense?

Time of possession? This use to be one of the top stats. Its mentioned now, but nowhere near the emphasis it use to have. I mean if a defense says we hold teams to 5 minutes a quarter, that could just mean they cant stop them from scoring, this stat is less useful nowadays.
 
50/50 pass run ratio = the clocks stops more often = the game lasts 1 hour longer now
no huddle teams snap ball a lot quicker, combine this with pass heavy, teams are easily getting twice the amount of plays per game.
more possessions, teams are getting twice the possessions

the game has changed boys! Scoring an avg of 35 pts a game USE to be a good thing! You score 35 now? Shit the other teams defense looks good!!!! 35 avg you wont make playoffs! We all remember the measure of a successful offense was if you scored 28 points or not. The measure of a good defense was if you can hold the other team to 14 or less.

dead, no, against the ropes yep

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 06:55:08 PM »
As an offensive coach, it's easy for me to see the way we exploit defenses. It just seems we have an answer for everything. Yet, over 40 years we have always coached as hard on offense. I know some very good coaches who work their tail off to coach up the defenses. I just think the change has really been about where we put players & how we teach tackling.

The Youth game is very different. I still think coaches can really coach up some very good defenses. I just wonder what changes are needed at the next level.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 06:55:38 PM »
It just seems that even teams running traditional offenses suffer the same fates. The game Dimson was talking about was a Flex Bone team & a Spread team. Neither team could stop the other. The Flex bone team you would think would stop the run & have trouble with the pass, they could stop neither. The Spread team couldn't stop the run or the pass. There was 9 lead changes in the second half, the Flex Bone team went up with 57 seconds to go. 13 seconds later they were down. It was insane.

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They shouldn't have kicked it deep.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2016, 07:05:09 PM »
C

We were on the field, it was a squib kick the ball just bounced to far. That being said they had DJ bottled up with 3 guys. He squirted out of there even to shock himself. He runs down to the 10, &  scores on the same OZ play they had been running all night. I think the kicker just squibed it too hard.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 07:19:04 PM »
C

We were on the field, it was a squib kick the ball just bounced to far. That being said they had DJ bottled up with 3 guys. He squirted out of there even to shock himself. He runs down to the 10, &  scores on the same OZ play they had been running all night. I think the kicker just squibed it too hard.

Joe

I couldn't make it to the game due to having my kids and there is no way my daughter could have sat through the entire game. I guess he just got a little too excited and put a little too much into it?

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 07:31:46 PM »
C

It took a big first hop & a SHS player let it go past him to DJ.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 10:50:03 PM »
C

It took a big first hop & a SHS player let it go past him to DJ.

Joe

Obviously that kid was well coached! lol.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 11:07:58 PM »
Joe,

You know what's weird? I keep getting all these offers to come install the offense for teams & possibly stay on as the OC if my schedule permits. 2 HS's & a semi pro team.

What's interesting is these guys want me, but only for offense, not defense. Like, they don't even mention it, even tho my greatest strength as a coach is probably on the defensive side of the ball. Almost like they've given up.

Point being, maybe part of the issue is teams are pooring too much energy in their offense, putting the best coaches & players on that side of the ball.

Most HS's i've been around have their best coaches & players on the offensive side of the ball, then the D gets the rest. Could it just be as simple as the D in most cases is 2nd fiddle in terms of priority & allocation of assets for most teams?
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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 11:24:07 PM »
Joe,

You know what's weird? I keep getting all these offers to come install the offense for teams & possibly stay on as the OC if my schedule permits. 2 HS's & a semi pro team.

What's interesting is these guys want me, but only for offense, not defense. Like, they don't even mention it, even tho my greatest strength as a coach is probably on the defensive side of the ball. Almost like they've given up.

Point being, maybe part of the issue is teams are pooring too much energy in their offense, putting the best coaches & players on that side of the ball.

Most HS's i've been around have their best coaches & players on the offensive side of the ball, then the D gets the rest. Could it just be as simple as the D in most cases is 2nd fiddle in terms of priority & allocation of assets for most teams?
Offense is sexy. Everyone wants to put up points.

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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2016, 12:05:26 AM »
Offense is sexy. Everyone wants to put up points.

Just look at this Forum. The Offense discussions vs the Defense discussions....10:1.
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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2016, 12:09:09 AM »
Offense is sexy. Everyone wants to put up points.

I'm def of the opinion that the best place to gain an advantage nkw, is on the defensive side of the ball. Especially in youth ball. The defenses I see every week are just comically vanilla.
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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2016, 12:20:52 AM »
I'm def of the opinion that the best place to gain an advantage nkw, is on the defensive side of the ball. Especially in youth ball. The defenses I see every week are just comically vanilla.
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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2016, 06:49:44 AM »
That same attitude seems to also be in the higher levels of the college and pros as well. I watched the Texas Kansas game on Saturday. Texas couldn't hold Kansas with just barely a minute left. Same thing in the Packers Redskins game. Sometimes I think college games are "fixed" because of the propensity for teams pulling out last minute victories because defenses are so porous anymore.

It will change once the next Buddy Ryan shows up and puts an end to this madness.




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Re: Is Defense Dead?
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2016, 07:58:59 AM »
Ha ha. Usually the people I argue w/ the most, I have the most in common w/.
I think we started out like that for sure.  :P