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Offline bdjackson

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 04:27:30 PM »
Running no huddle with mitey mites here is near impossible as the refs will allow defenses to set before we can snap, for the most part. Might install it anyways if time allows to get them ready for next year when there is no coach on the field and we can take advantage of it.

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2018, 04:33:36 PM »
Running no huddle with mitey mites here is near impossible as the refs will allow defenses to set before we can snap

Brian, the officials don't impact whether your offense huddles, or not.  Running tempo, on the other hand....

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 04:56:53 PM »
Which school is this?

Stoneham.  Worth going to see if you're free on a Friday night.

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Yeah, been meaning to text you our game times. So far we are 3-2 after two straight losses to start the season. Either way its been exciting as every week the game has been decided by less than 7 points. Still looking to take a knee to end a game, thought I had it this weekend but my son, our BB, fumbled on a wedge as he broke out and got caught from behind with 3 mins to go. On a positive note, he laid the kid out that tried to block him the next play. I was hoping they were gonna run to his side but they didn't.  ;D. Defense looked a lot better although I've really got to drill my OLB's on playing the sweep. It's so hard for them to not be overly aggressive and pinch inside. Just one more thing to work on.

I also noticed that the kids got together before the game and apparently taught themselves GOD blocking and decided that was better than TKO  ::). Wait, that was me failing to instill our blocking rules into our lineman after 4 weeks. Sometimes I forget who to blame  ;). Just another coaching point for this week. I realized that recently my practices have been an unorganized cluster and I need to get my head out of my arse and nail down what drills we NEED to run to make the DW better. But better in week 4 than week 8... or never I guess. Again, just the self realization of coaching. On the plus side, I am able to look back on our first two games and see a definite improvement. Were not great by any means, nor do we run the DW like a seasoned team, but were getting by and continuing to learn and improve. Here's to the next 4 games.

Nice job, glad to hear things turned around for you.  Keep working it.

You know, with the MM rules, GOD isn't the worst thing for them to be doing.  You're going to face alignments with only one deep LB to the playside, and he can't blitz.  So there's time for the blocker to get to him even if he takes off on the snap.  I will own that with my BEAST blast, I just basically assigned guys who they were getting.  Obviously, at Jr. PW it gets a little more complicated without the MM defensive limitations, and you'll see some junk D's.  But since the guy above you isn't using TKO, don't give yourself a migraine if it's working.  The most important thing is for the hole to be open, you know?

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Oh, and John, we play Woburn this weekend at Lampson Field in Billerica. I can give you the time once I know if interested.

Probably going to play golf this Sunday.   :)  Honestly, I am really trying to stay away from "our" games.  Might catch the D's in the playoffs, but otherwise, I'm making myself scarce.
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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2018, 05:01:54 PM »
It really is a beautiful offense :)

Everything that has been said is true...when I was running it we did try the uptempo approach and it didn't work for us, so we went to the exact opposite end of the spectrum...and went really slow...and had 14 play 8 minute + drives...if it was 3rd or 4th and short, we would run freeze (10 wedge on 3)...everyone in the park knew it was coming...but it seemed like 90% of the time the defense would still come across and give us the first down.

One game, we were beating an opponent badly, but they scored and took themselves out of the running clock with about 3:00 minutes to go...we are going to try and run out the clock after recovering the onsides try...we are just running wedge and they sell out to stop it on 3rd down...60 yards or so later, they found themselves back in the running clock...

THe only issues I had with the offense...coaches teaching their dline to flop and grab legs to defend the wedge and officials not calling it...or if you get behind in the 4th...not enough time on the clock to come back...

If I decide to take the new team I am helping with this season...I am going back to DW...

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2018, 05:14:43 PM »
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Brian, the officials don't impact whether your offense huddles, or not.  Running tempo, on the other hand....

Yeah very good point..... I've been yelled at several times even at the Junior Midget level that the other coaches can't get their MPR's in and I was told to "slow down coach or else"....

So the refs i'd imagine at the lower levels will be even more unlikely to let you run them into the ground with the warp speed no huddle...

Now I use Tempo calls..... RABBIT if we're going to abandon the huddle and go to all wrist coaches and a "check with me" system for the plays...
                                      TURTLE if we are up big and I want to work the clock and go on those long clock destroying DW drives we all love...

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2018, 06:27:31 PM »
Brian, the officials don't impact whether your offense huddles, or not.  Running tempo, on the other hand....

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In our conference no-huddle is illegal at the MM level.
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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 08:39:53 PM »
In our conference no-huddle is illegal at the MM level.

Why is that?

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 08:44:57 PM »
Why is that?

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Im not answering for him but when we were at 10 YO level we started running a lot of no huddle very fast pace. the refs would slow everything down telling me that the other team needs a chance to "sub"
Not in rules but the ref took it upon himself to help the other team. He said we went too fast and they couldn't get subs in fast enough to which I said
"not my problem"
I just learned to slow down our no huddle till the refs said something.

I can see that as being the reason behind that rule.
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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2018, 09:09:09 PM »
Im not answering for him but when we were at 10 YO level we started running a lot of no huddle very fast pace.

I understand that Tempo could be something they'd want to legislate, but Jake said it was simply "no huddle."  Since you can go "no huddle" without using Tempo, I wondered why they made "no huddle" illegal.

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2018, 11:42:28 PM »
Why is that?

--Dave

This is hand holding football. Iíve found the whole game day experience to be pretty boring, in large part due to all the silly rules.

I guess I get it tho. Thereís one team in our conference that knows how to play good sound football at this age.My team. Everyone else is completely is completely reliant upon their talent.
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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2018, 08:07:37 AM »
I am not advocating no huddle. If snails pace is working do not change. We always had good talent so the slow the game down part of the offense wasn't a concern. Plus, we used a bunch of formations. If you are just using dtdw and not much else some of hurry up loses its effectiveness. I do think that hurry up helped us win some games that otherwise we might of lost. Most teams, even really talented ones, tend to play at least 5 or 6 guys both ways. Those guys are easy to gas. Plus, running multiple formations you will catch teams completely out of position. A simple unbalnced line in the dw almost always gets teams in hurry up.

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2018, 03:41:07 PM »
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Plus, we used a bunch of formations. If you are just using dtdw and not much else some of hurry up loses its effectiveness

I'm not sure I 100% agree with that.... Because when I use DTDW with TAGS my formation can look like five to six different ways and still APPEAR the be DTDW...

Unbalanced lines, using wings on or off, offsetting my fullback, etc.... when you are running no huddle sometimes those minute details go unnoticed by the defense.  And they can be run into the ground early... I don't think a TAGGED formation is any different than DTDW, but it LOOKS the same to a kid who only has a few seconds to line up while his DC screams at me from 40 yards away....

I can't believe that Refs can just enforce rules that don't exist in the book.. I always ask these questions in the pre-season meeting that the referees attend.  If you are using NFHS Rules then everything in that book is legal.  If it's not covered it's legal.... I can't understand what rule they use to back them up on the sideline other than the "It's good for the sport kinda stuff"..... But if that's true then they should use modified rules and not the NFHS rules....
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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2018, 04:56:15 PM »
I'm not sure I 100% agree with that.... Because when I use DTDW with TAGS my formation can look like five to six different ways and still APPEAR the be DTDW...

Unbalanced lines, using wings on or off, offsetting my fullback, etc.... when you are running no huddle sometimes those minute details go unnoticed by the defense.  And they can be run into the ground early... I don't think a TAGGED formation is any different than DTDW, but it LOOKS the same to a kid who only has a few seconds to line up while his DC screams at me from 40 yards away....

I can't believe that Refs can just enforce rules that don't exist in the book.. I always ask these questions in the pre-season meeting that the referees attend.  If you are using NFHS Rules then everything in that book is legal.  If it's not covered it's legal.... I can't understand what rule they use to back them up on the sideline other than the "It's good for the sport kinda stuff"..... But if that's true then they should use modified rules and not the NFHS rules....
Actually you do agree. Either I worded it poorly or you misunderstood. If you run nothing but dtdw with no formation tags is what I mean. Unbalanced and wing on for example can be huge in hurry up. Minor variations do go unnoticed when you run primarily the same formation. Big changes are seen but they can't adjust in time. We had the ability to run dw then jump right into ubsw. Total mind f%^& for the defense.

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Re: Only the Doublewing
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 05:27:15 PM »
Aaaaaaah yeah you're right....Yeah no huddle with a single formation that you can tag to change the balance or positions can give a defense fits..... because the changes are sometimes barely noticeable...

If you are multiple and you don't huddle yeah the defense just has to align to what you come out in...If you go from DW to Spread that can also be tough..... but i don't know many teams that are good at both...