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Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« on: February 06, 2019, 03:04:03 PM »
Hey coaches,

With the new season looming in the distance I wanted to get some movement in this forum.... I've been game planning and reviewing film and wanted to discuss how I particularly use the Wing ON TAG with my power plays, when I'm coaching and calling the offense.

I use the FIRE/FLAME Wing On and Off tags that Steve Calande uses.  It's always been simple and good to me.  I simply add the TAG prior to the motion and play call. 

Ray 34 Power become Fire Ray 34 Power.  Since it's fiRe the Right Wing (2 back) gets on the line of scrimmage.  fLame would be opposite that and the left wing (3 back) would get on the LOS.

       TE T G C G T TE W
     W          Q           
                  F

Why would I use the Wing On call???? Well I typically will watch film on my opponent and I look for a few things.  First, and most importantly how their DE's align against my base DW formation with my wings 45 degrees off the tight ends in the backfield.  MOST Opponents will line up outside shoulder of the EMLOS, which if i'm running standard Wing Off DW would be my Tight End.  This is the standard and perfectly fine.  Your standard power play will allow the defensive end to come upfield and be kicked out by the fullback.  The second thing i look for is what defensive front their are running in the interior. Inside of the Defensive ends.  Either a TNT or a 4 man front is most likely.  Against a TNT front the location of the playside defensive tackle becomes important.

When my team breaks the huddle and lines up in a wing on configuration as pictured above the defensive end will typically "BUMP OUT" to NOW outside shoulder of the EMLOS which is NOW the Right Wing.  A smart defensive end will call to the defensive tackle nearest him and have him bump out as well.  But MOST Defensive Ends at the youth level will fail to do so.  The bubble in which to run 34 Power is now bigger.  Just because of a simple adjustment and alignment by the wing on the LOS.  My blocking assignments do not change. The WING ON will still carry out his assigned block which in this example is FBI (FIRST BACKER INSIDE).  Since he is ON the LOS his release to backer is usually quicker, enabling my power play to be even more effective.

Other uses for Wing ON.  Occasionally I will teach certain linemen the 2 back blocking rules.  backup guards are the most usual candidates for this.  And I will send them into the game as my 2 back and align them WING ON.  So essentially on the right side of the line I am aligned like this with an extra guard in the game.  A "Heavy Package Short Yardage Team" for example.

   TE T G C G T TE G
  W         Q             
              F

Countering from wing on???

Do I do it??? Yes. Profusely.... If any coaches have watched any of my video footage I will typically run counters from a Wing On alignment.  And yes I am countering to the Wing On back.  The only coaching point is that a deep drop step is required on the snap of the ball AS THE PLAYER opens up their hips to face the called hole, slight hesitation then attack lane to hole and prepare to accept handoff. 

Defensively especially at youth sometimes ANYONE on the line of scrimmage is discounted as a viable runner.  They are considered linemen by the defense.  Remember these are kids we are mostly discussing.  And more often than not anyone aligning on the LOS and carrying the ball is lost in the scrum.  I have even had occasions where I have run 325xx and 234xx criss cross counters with one wing in the WING ON position.  It's dangerous yes, but with the right coached footwork and repped timing any team can have that play oiled and running regardless of the position of your wings. 

Wing On also LOOKS as if it is unbalanced.  If the defense counts linemen to shift to strong side this will undoubtedly cause a shift.  Which if you are using your WING ON back to counter, could be DEVASTATING to a defense. Because they just shifted the wrong way.  The Wing On formation is still a balanced formation.  You have just eliminated one eligible receiver (the TE who is now covered by the wing).  Other than that the numbers are the same.  5.5 players on each side of the ball.

I will mix in Wing On and Wing Off during my play calls.  For a few reasons.  To keep the defense off balance, and to keep the chains moving.  The Wing On formation allows me more than enough man power to get 4 yards per carry.  When it slows down I call a counter.  Whether I am Wing On or Wing Off doesn't really matter provided I run the play that the defense is not prepared for.  All of my power plays usually include and offset fullback these days.  I will also begin to integrate some Wing On plays into the Gun Formation this year as i try to continue to evolve the offense.

Hope you enjoyed the Wing On writeup. If anyone has anything they use Wing On and Wing Off for feel free to comment....

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2019, 03:19:18 PM »
I use it a lot vs teams that play a 6 tech ( head up on the tight end) where we want the wing to get to his double team faster....itís also good on trap to get the wing to a backer or safety faster....and we counter from it ....dog is good and we have run blast when there is a nice bubble and we tell the wing to block out.
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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2019, 03:53:12 PM »
Good point Steve... I see very few 6 techs though I would expect to see more as the age level increases.....  That kid is usually down in a 3 or 4 tech and never moves.  Despite our Wing On alignment and the DE bumping down.  If they don't move I'll run Fire Ray 34 Power until the cows come home. 

I will also line up Wing On and run Wedge occasionally.  I do it for no other reason than just to add a different "look" to my plays.  Pre formation if the defensive has never seen me run Wedge with a Wing On, chances are they will choose wrong if they see me align that way.

Window dressing essentially.

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2019, 05:00:18 PM »
Really good article.  I like to use WING ON and TACKLE OVER in combination and it is something we use a lot...  We go unbalanced a lot with the OVER call and we use ON to compliment it as well as extending a 6tech out for an easier kickout.  With the compressed look and zero splits it is very hard for a sideline staff to determine if we are balanced or unbalanced.  The use of ON can muddy that up at times so that it can become really difficult to determine if we are really unbalanced on the defensive side of the ball.  The only exception for me in regards to what you stated is when the Wing goes ON he joins the TKO wall instead of FBI.  Like you, I have found the WING ON counter and reverses to add another element to our "window dressing" that can muck up what the DC thinks he is seeing on the field.  I typically use the ON in conjunction with the OVER (BST moves over) and OFFSET (BB shifts under PSG) to improve our angles on power, power sweep, and power pass. 

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2019, 05:13:44 PM »
Awesome Jack... I frequently use the same thing with a tackle over tag....  I kept Steve's ANGRY/UGLY call to move a tackle over....  He always lines up INSIDE the original tackle.  The aiming point for the play call stays the 4 man (I don't re-number the linemen after the shift)...

ANGRY FIRE would look like this...

     TE  G  C  G  T  T  TE  W
   W         Q
               F

When we align in these fronts we always ensure we are lining up and quick snapping the ball to not allow the defensive players to adjust to our heavy side.  And just as you stated all angles are improved for double teams.... Unbalanced power can be NASTY.... use all your tools Coaches!

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2019, 09:38:38 PM »
   TE T G C G T TE G
  W         Q             
              F

Countering from wing on???

Do I do it??? Yes. Profusely.... If any coaches have watched any of my video footage I will typically run counters from a Wing On alignment.  And yes I am countering to the Wing On back.  The only coaching point is that a deep drop step is required on the snap of the ball AS THE PLAYER opens up their hips to face the called hole, slight hesitation then attack lane to hole and prepare to accept handoff. 

Defensively especially at youth sometimes ANYONE on the line of scrimmage is discounted as a viable runner.  They are considered linemen by the defense.  Remember these are kids we are mostly discussing.  And more often than not anyone aligning on the LOS and carrying the ball is lost in the scrum.  I have even had occasions where I have run 325xx and 234xx criss cross counters with one wing in the WING ON position.  It's dangerous yes, but with the right coached footwork and repped timing any team can have that play oiled and running regardless of the position of your wings.
Is it a forward handoff or a backwards one?

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2019, 09:59:42 PM »
Awesome Jack... I frequently use the same thing with a tackle over tag....  I kept Steve's ANGRY/UGLY call to move a tackle over....  He always lines up INSIDE the original tackle.  The aiming point for the play call stays the 4 man (I don't re-number the linemen after the shift)...

ANGRY FIRE would look like this...

     TE  G  C  G  T  T  TE  W
   W         Q
               F

When we align in these fronts we always ensure we are lining up and quick snapping the ball to not allow the defensive players to adjust to our heavy side.  And just as you stated all angles are improved for double teams.... Unbalanced power can be NASTY.... use all your tools Coaches!

Absolutely.  I like using a sugar huddle as we use wrist bands and I control the tempo from the sideline.  I don't want our guys lining up and sitting at the line for the defense to adapt so we either eat the clock in the sugar huddle and line up with about eight to ten seconds left or we line up quick and get the snap off as fast as we can.

We do it a little different on our OVER since we use TKO...  The backside OT lines up on the outside of the playside OT and he forms the fifth man on the wall.  If we go ON-OVER we are six man wall....not something I do often unless we see a TNT and a DE that is sitting outside the WB (That is a nice big hole when they do that ).    The beauty of the power is you can adapt it to anything you see with calls like this and many more.  Having those tools in the box makes the power/power sweep more effective and versatile. 



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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 03:48:23 PM »
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Is it a forward handoff or a backwards one?

All of my counters are a forward handoff to the countering back.... On 325xx/234xx the play begins as a toss to the first back who then hands it off forward to the countering back.  I try to keep all of my counter handoffs extremely shallow and close to the LOS and pullers.  You cannot tackle that which is running behind someone.

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 08:29:58 AM »
All of my counters are a forward handoff to the countering back.
In that case when you're countering to an "extra" OL, he has to be on the end of the line and neither the snapper nor adjacent to the snapper in an unbalanced line -- unless he's doing the half-turn into the backfield.

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 05:52:34 PM »
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n that case when you're countering to an "extra" OL, he has to be on the end of the line and neither the snapper nor adjacent to the snapper in an unbalanced line -- unless he's doing the half-turn into the backfield

Correct... None of my wing on plays are being handed off to anyone that is covered.  It's always to the wing who lines up ON, outside of the TIGHT END. Foot to foot....



                      TE T G C G T TE 2
                    3           Q  F
                             

One of my favorite Wing on plays...

Bear Fire Ray 25 Counter

Bear offsets Fullback RIGHT
Fire puts 2 back (RW) On LOS

2 will drop step open his hips to face the hole, receive inside handoff from QB.  FB doesnt need to counter step.  he just jab steps quick and takes off with pulling Guard and BSTE. 3 back is going in Ray motion and faking 34 Power.

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 01:05:49 PM »
Correct... None of my wing on plays are being handed off to anyone that is covered.  It's always to the wing who lines up ON, outside of the TIGHT END. Foot to foot....



                      TE T G C G T TE 2
                    3           Q  F
                             

One of my favorite Wing on plays...

Bear Fire Ray 25 Counter

Bear offsets Fullback RIGHT
Fire puts 2 back (RW) On LOS

2 will drop step open his hips to face the hole, receive inside handoff from QB.  FB doesnt need to counter step.  he just jab steps quick and takes off with pulling Guard and BSTE. 3 back is going in Ray motion and faking 34 Power.

Nice looking play there coach.
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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2019, 05:34:25 PM »
Thank you sir!!!!

And yes we have scored quite a few TD's with this look against the toughest defenses.....

If you want to see that specific play in execution it is right here at 14:50

https://youtu.be/H--IMzPLON8

And my two back that year was an explosive runner in the open field.... this one goes for like a 60 yd TD. My line even shut down the Linebacker delay blitz... Barely but they did.

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Re: Principles of Power Wing on vs Wing Off
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 12:38:11 PM »
Hey coaches,

With the new season looming in the distance I wanted to get some movement in this forum.... I've been game planning and reviewing film and wanted to discuss how I particularly use the Wing ON TAG with my power plays, when I'm coaching and calling the offense.

I use the FIRE/FLAME Wing On and Off tags that Steve Calande uses.  It's always been simple and good to me.  I simply add the TAG prior to the motion and play call. 

Ray 34 Power become Fire Ray 34 Power.  Since it's fiRe the Right Wing (2 back) gets on the line of scrimmage.  fLame would be opposite that and the left wing (3 back) would get on the LOS.

       TE T G C G T TE W
     W          Q           
                  F

Why would I use the Wing On call???? Well I typically will watch film on my opponent and I look for a few things.  First, and most importantly how their DE's align against my base DW formation with my wings 45 degrees off the tight ends in the backfield.  MOST Opponents will line up outside shoulder of the EMLOS, which if i'm running standard Wing Off DW would be my Tight End.  This is the standard and perfectly fine.  Your standard power play will allow the defensive end to come upfield and be kicked out by the fullback.  The second thing i look for is what defensive front their are running in the interior. Inside of the Defensive ends.  Either a TNT or a 4 man front is most likely.  Against a TNT front the location of the playside defensive tackle becomes important.

When my team breaks the huddle and lines up in a wing on configuration as pictured above the defensive end will typically "BUMP OUT" to NOW outside shoulder of the EMLOS which is NOW the Right Wing.  A smart defensive end will call to the defensive tackle nearest him and have him bump out as well.  But MOST Defensive Ends at the youth level will fail to do so.  The bubble in which to run 34 Power is now bigger.  Just because of a simple adjustment and alignment by the wing on the LOS.  My blocking assignments do not change. The WING ON will still carry out his assigned block which in this example is FBI (FIRST BACKER INSIDE).  Since he is ON the LOS his release to backer is usually quicker, enabling my power play to be even more effective.

Other uses for Wing ON.  Occasionally I will teach certain linemen the 2 back blocking rules.  backup guards are the most usual candidates for this.  And I will send them into the game as my 2 back and align them WING ON.  So essentially on the right side of the line I am aligned like this with an extra guard in the game.  A "Heavy Package Short Yardage Team" for example.

   TE T G C G T TE G
  W         Q             
              F

Countering from wing on???

Do I do it??? Yes. Profusely.... If any coaches have watched any of my video footage I will typically run counters from a Wing On alignment.  And yes I am countering to the Wing On back.  The only coaching point is that a deep drop step is required on the snap of the ball AS THE PLAYER opens up their hips to face the called hole, slight hesitation then attack lane to hole and prepare to accept handoff. 

Defensively especially at youth sometimes ANYONE on the line of scrimmage is discounted as a viable runner.  They are considered linemen by the defense.  Remember these are kids we are mostly discussing.  And more often than not anyone aligning on the LOS and carrying the ball is lost in the scrum.  I have even had occasions where I have run 325xx and 234xx criss cross counters with one wing in the WING ON position.  It's dangerous yes, but with the right coached footwork and repped timing any team can have that play oiled and running regardless of the position of your wings. 

Wing On also LOOKS as if it is unbalanced.  If the defense counts linemen to shift to strong side this will undoubtedly cause a shift.  Which if you are using your WING ON back to counter, could be DEVASTATING to a defense. Because they just shifted the wrong way.  The Wing On formation is still a balanced formation.  You have just eliminated one eligible receiver (the TE who is now covered by the wing).  Other than that the numbers are the same.  5.5 players on each side of the ball.

I will mix in Wing On and Wing Off during my play calls.  For a few reasons.  To keep the defense off balance, and to keep the chains moving.  The Wing On formation allows me more than enough man power to get 4 yards per carry.  When it slows down I call a counter.  Whether I am Wing On or Wing Off doesn't really matter provided I run the play that the defense is not prepared for.  All of my power plays usually include and offset fullback these days.  I will also begin to integrate some Wing On plays into the Gun Formation this year as i try to continue to evolve the offense.

Hope you enjoyed the Wing On writeup. If anyone has anything they use Wing On and Wing Off for feel free to comment....

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