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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 05:11:58 PM »
The Wide Tackle 6 is a great defense...especially at the younger ages just as the 53 cover 3 is too.   All I am saying is it is easy to take your kids out of their comfort zone by spreading the field.     This is an advantage to the offense.   But,  as you said, it is equally disadvantageous to the offense.   Wide splits creates running lanes, but they also create blitzing lanes.  Zero splits takes away blitzing lanes, but it brings backers closer in the box.   Spreading the field takes secondary and backers out of the box, but it also takes blockers out of the box.   How you can get your kids ready for both extremes is the key. 

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 05:20:59 PM »
The Wide Tackle 6 is a great defense...especially at the younger ages just as the 53 cover 3 is too.   All I am saying is it is easy to take your kids out of their comfort zone by spreading the field.     This is an advantage to the offense.   But,  as you said, it is equally disadvantageous to the offense.   Wide splits creates running lanes, but they also create blitzing lanes.  Zero splits takes away blitzing lanes, but it brings backers closer in the box.   Spreading the field takes secondary and backers out of the box, but it also takes blockers out of the box.   How you can get your kids ready for both extremes is the key.


I completely agree.

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2018, 09:30:40 AM »
If there is no TE do they align in front of the Tackle and smash the guard?

If there is a TE and they don't occupy or try to block the wide tackle (mine wouldn't even pay any attention to him by rule) is that seen as a free release and the TE needs to be covered?
Are you in man or zone?
Or zone behind the man coverage like a "man 2"

To answer honestly, we aren't there yet.  In other words, we haven't made up our minds BUT I think with no TE my inclination would be to line them up in a 5 tech and still hit the OT.  The key still being to stop the OT free release to LB's.

At 7, I haven't really considered coverage just yet but we'd be Cover 3 by default, although my CB's are basically 99% in run support.  The first time someone beats me with a pass, we'll drill down on it....

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2018, 09:40:11 AM »
Can tell you from my experiance your "hittem...bounce...hunt" is a bit too much instruction for 7s. Not saying the technique cant be done... might wanna talk to Clark about "r.e.s o" or find your man, hit your man, play football.

Tilted tackles work when done properly, gotta give them a time to make a play too.

No real experience with it at this age group.  With older groups I run a 3-3 Stack/3-5 Hybrid, so we're head up.  This is a good thought though.  Since we've only worked on stance and alignment so far, I probably won't try to teach the "bounce", just drill the OT and then hunt for the ball carrier.

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2018, 09:42:10 AM »

If you look what I drew.. there was no real defensive alignment, just a quasi front and sorta secondary...   zone or man i can get great mismatches with a 6 2 or 5 3 front.   I can force you to move linebackers out of the box  by spreading the field.  Thats why I said to draw it up on paper.   Draw your man D against 1 x 2, 1 x 3, 2 x 2, and 2 x 3 and see  where you are weak.. you have to pull your second level defenders on at least one side out of the box.  You need to be able to go to a 7 or 6 man box.  If you keep a 6 man front on my 5 man front, all i need is one block at the LOS.     Spread em and go maxi splits.  Spread the front, pull backers out of the box.   Snap to my stud and off he goes.

At 7U, I'd never move a man out of the box.  If you can snap it, throw it over my DE, catch it, and beat my CB - one of my best tacklers - then I'll take that chance.   ;)

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2018, 12:37:37 PM »
Alex, I want my opponentís OTs to try and block my LBs.  Thatís a mismatch made in Heaven.   If your opponentís OTs can block your LBs, you arenít going to win anyway.

óDave

Coach, that's a very fair point.  I had to think about it for a few minutes and really I'm worried about minimizing "traffic" in front of them until they develop some level of comfort.  I don't think they'll necessarily be blocked by the OT as much as have to run around them or see past them.

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2018, 05:26:57 PM »
Is it me or am I the only one that finds the 60 front one of the easiest Defenses to attack.

Just curious....not trying to flame on anyone. I simply dont get it.

That said....tilting is a good means to occupy blockers so your Backers can roam free. Im not sure tilting would accomplish much when you implement less Backers.
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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2018, 05:55:14 PM »
I'm considering tilting my tackles with the instruction to hit the OT in the side, "bounce" into the gap, get to the heels and hunt. They would align on the TE's inside shoulder. The idea is to try and occupy the TE and impair the OT's path to my LB's and keep them clean.

My best players are at DE, the best smaller tacklers are at CB, and my best undisciplined but fast player is at FS.  My LB's are project players with physical ability but they are not killers..........yet......

thoughts?

Curious,where are your defensive guards lined up?

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2018, 07:12:49 PM »
Is it me or am I the only one that finds the 60 front one of the easiest Defenses to attack.

Just curious....not trying to flame on anyone. I simply dont get it.

That said....tilting is a good means to occupy blockers so your Backers can roam free. Im not sure tilting would accomplish much when you implement less Backers.
I find the 5-3s the easiest
I can pull people out of defensive position with alignment then throw motion at the and watch heads spin.

I hate defenses that can adjust to my formations, it makes for a long day
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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2018, 08:41:34 PM »
I find the 5-3s the easiest
I can pull people out of defensive position with alignment then throw motion at the and watch heads spin.

I hate defenses that can adjust to my formations, it makes for a long day

If we are talking the younger ages here I have to wonder. The 60's seems to be the D of choice. Stout vs sweep...hard to wedge against. Tough to get double teams going. But it seems to be soft vs stretch plays and counters.

Maybe its just the opponents we faced. I ask only because we are going back to the Smurf level so the 60 fronts have been a bit rare for us lately.  I have been watching a lot of film from our 2nd and 3rd grades seasons from the past.....probably 75% 60 fronts. We did really well against them. Maybe we got used to them. Two teams we struggled with...both 50 fronts.
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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2018, 12:52:58 PM »
Curious,where are your defensive guards lined up?

A gaps, bear crawlers.  This is very much Dave Cisar's 6-2 with the DT's tilted.

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2018, 12:55:51 PM »
If we are talking the younger ages here I have to wonder. The 60's seems to be the D of choice. Stout vs sweep...hard to wedge against. Tough to get double teams going. But it seems to be soft vs stretch plays and counters.

Maybe its just the opponents we faced. I ask only because we are going back to the Smurf level so the 60 fronts have been a bit rare for us lately.  I have been watching a lot of film from our 2nd and 3rd grades seasons from the past.....probably 75% 60 fronts. We did really well against them. Maybe we got used to them. Two teams we struggled with...both 50 fronts.

I like the 60 front because it should eliminate the off tackle bubble found in many 50 fronts plus I can get productivity out of less talented players in the A gaps.

I like an odd front because I always have a nose pressuring the centers execution.

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2018, 12:58:13 PM »
I find the 5-3s the easiest
I can pull people out of defensive position with alignment then throw motion at the and watch heads spin.

I hate defenses that can adjust to my formations, it makes for a long day

Wing-n-It,

  At older age groups, say 10 and up, I love a 3-3/3-5 hybrid I run.  It auto adjusts to anything from double tight to empty backfield spread with minimal sideline calls.  It has 5 rushers every snap without committing the DE's/OLB's. 

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Re: Tilting tackles at 7U in the WT6
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2018, 02:28:10 PM »
I like the 60 front because it should eliminate the off tackle bubble found in many 50 fronts plus I can get productivity out of less talented players in the A gaps.

I like an odd front because I always have a nose pressuring the centers execution.
50 okie works pretty well vs off tackle. I think if you are going to run a 50 you better be able to move the dt around a bit.