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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2018, 04:46:11 PM »
100% agree but as long as I don't think I'm slowing them down, or wasting valuable time, I'm going to try and teach it.  In my mind a simple first or "first two" steps read goes hand in hand with eliminating false steps by my inside LB's.  If I can get a 2 for 1, or even start to get a 2 for 1, I'll take it.

But to your point, do I know what is in their heads?  No way.  But are they playing downhill or not backing up on the snap?  I can quantify that.

Coltsy had a 2-3 step attack read step.

Basically ball snap lb comes forward 2-3 quick steps then goes after the ball...

Most youth lbs backpedal to gain vision... you neef to teach them how to gain vision in chaos
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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 05:17:49 PM »
Most youth lbs backpedal to gain vision.

Nope, not us.  Not ever.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 05:39:26 PM »
Right or wrong I teach a short read step to Gap responsibility (Auto) eyes on the Backfield scrap to flow.  See Jack Gregorys' At and Away scenario. 
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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 05:50:48 PM »
Coaches,

How do you teach your LB's to play at the 8U level? Are they reading backfield, guards, or both? Do you simply coach them to find the ball and attack? It seems difficult at this level simply because most of the offenses we see will not be giving us the proper looks/reads. I don't want to make it more complicated than it should be, but I do want to have a plan of instruction for them. Any input is much appreciated. We will more than likely be running a 5-2. Thanks!

Here is some film showing what we do. These are 8 year olds.

NEVER ATTACK FORWARD AT THE SNAP.

Crush the Can...Smoosh Smoosh...Shuffle Step...anything to get them to delay just a bit before they attack.  This times them up with the play.

They must find the ball before they move...then.... go....fast! Also stagger their depth so they never run into one another as they flow. They are 8 years old and tend to get in each others way at times.

Their only read is the backfield unless they have a slot split wide. 

https://youtu.be/UExj-eLhmLg
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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 08:05:19 PM »
Right or wrong I teach a short read step to Gap responsibility (Auto) eyes on the Backfield scrap to flow.  See Jack Gregorys' At and Away scenario.
Oh yeah
Jack taught me how to teach LB when he clinic'd me and my team for his defense. He showed me how to teach reading to 7 year olds and I never looked back.

We will never read guards but we will read back field

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2018, 11:36:49 PM »
Here is some film showing what we do. These are 8 year olds.

NEVER ATTACK FORWARD AT THE SNAP.

Crush the Can...Smoosh Smoosh...Shuffle Step...anything to get them to delay just a bit before they attack.  This times them up with the play.

They must find the ball before they move...then.... go....fast! Also stagger their depth so they never run into one another as they flow. They are 8 years old and tend to get in each others way at times.

Their only read is the backfield unless they have a slot split wide. 

https://youtu.be/UExj-eLhmLg

Thanks, Coach. I appreciate the video and input. Looks like y'all were having fun. I like the idea of teaching them to take a read step or two and then go. Any thoughts on block destruction? Do you teach a certain method or just let them go? I think it they attack they will not get blocked and won't really have to worry about it, but I would like to hear your thoughts along with anyone else who would like to chime in.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2018, 11:37:46 PM »
Right or wrong I teach a short read step to Gap responsibility (Auto) eyes on the Backfield scrap to flow.  See Jack Gregorys' At and Away scenario.

Thanks. I will have to check it out.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2018, 12:15:48 AM »
Any thoughts on block destruction?

Yes.  Don't do it.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2018, 02:03:42 AM »
Thanks, Coach. I appreciate the video and input. Looks like y'all were having fun. I like the idea of teaching them to take a read step or two and then go. Any thoughts on block destruction? Do you teach a certain method or just let them go? I think it they attack they will not get blocked and won't really have to worry about it, but I would like to hear your thoughts along with anyone else who would like to chime in.

Im with Coach P....to expand. Blocking destruction is advanced and for when the talent is generally more advanced.

These are Smurfs. Your opponents are Smurfs. Your ONLY advantage is to play mean, nasty and fast.  The only way to do that is to create an atmosphere that promotes fast. This means the more stuff you put in their heads the slower they will play. For us its everyone does their job... finds football... gets football. And we rarely if ever blitz from our 50 front.

No selfish football players is what we pound into their heads. All 11 as one. The helps get / keep players in the right places at the right time POST SNAP. We probably spend the least amount of time per the average working on tackling. Therefore ZERO time on destruction's. Its all about spacing and being in the right place at the right time POST SNAP so we spend a ton of time working on that in our mega drills. And if you do this fast....the opponent must string together many successful plays in a row to score. A near impossibility at this age for any team including ours.

BTW we have been a cover 0 team now for 7 seasons...all age groups thru the 8th grade.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2018, 01:48:36 PM »
Im with Coach P....to expand. Blocking destruction is advanced and for when the talent is generally more advanced.

Im with Coach M....to expand. Teaching them block destruction is teaching them to get blocked.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2018, 01:55:19 PM »
Coltsy had a 2-3 step attack read step.

Basically ball snap lb comes forward 2-3 quick steps then goes after the ball...

Most youth lbs backpedal to gain vision... you neef to teach them how to gain vision in chaos

Sounds like "Fill-Scrape-Fill" which is one of the things I will say constantly to older linebackers

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2018, 01:58:00 PM »
Sounds like "Fill-Scrape-Fill" which is one of the things I will say constantly to older linebackers

Alex, what do you say to the younger ones?

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2018, 01:59:27 PM »
Sounds like "Fill-Scrape-Fill" which is one of the things I will say constantly to older linebackers

Another term I have used was scrape and close the windows. 
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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2018, 03:17:45 PM »
I know you didn't aim that towards my post but I'll just say that teaching a child to read a cue is pretty easy.

I used Clarks point of teaching a young player 3 easy points of playing defense.

I always thought teaching man concepts were hard. then someone told me it was easier to teach man than zone.

Although my defense tends to be more zone than man in coverage, the front 7 remain man concepts, with Clarks easy rules of playing defense

I sing the song "gimme three steps" during defensive practices because with my defensive philosophies fall in line with what I was taught. Do the first three steps my way then play football.
It simplifies it for them
at least it seems to

I donít dispute any of that. Iím really just wondering whether they are actually doing the mental part of the read or just doing whatever physical act (shuffle, kill the bee, etc) and then simply reacting to the ball. Which is probably just fine for that age.

I remember in a scrimmage (JJs 33) standing behind the R and telling him to read the TB when he was struggling a bit against a team running the I. He was just a little tentative. So I told him ignore everything else and go with the TB until he can find the play. Dramatic improvement, and he thanked me later and said that helped. So I suppose he was ďreadingĒ, but nothing as specific as the Gís or what not. And I didnít give him any steps or gaps to fill - go kill that guy, lol.

I have also tried to get my OSís to read opposite WB and failed miserably. Iím sure I didnít rep it enough. But I still wonder if, in the heat of the battle, I can get any more out of them than a very simple task (ball away, hold for BCR). And even with that simple instruction, most kids struggle to not follow flow. Hell, many of our offenses depend on that.

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Re: 8U LB Question
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2018, 03:52:47 PM »
I donít dispute any of that. Iím really just wondering whether they are actually doing the mental part of the read or just doing whatever physical act (shuffle, kill the bee, etc) and then simply reacting to the ball. Which is probably just fine for that age.

I remember in a scrimmage (JJs 33) standing behind the R and telling him to read the TB when he was struggling a bit against a team running the I. He was just a little tentative. So I told him ignore everything else and go with the TB until he can find the play. Dramatic improvement, and he thanked me later and said that helped. So I suppose he was ďreadingĒ, but nothing as specific as the Gís or what not. And I didnít give him any steps or gaps to fill - go kill that guy, lol.

I have also tried to get my OSís to read opposite WB and failed miserably. Iím sure I didnít rep it enough. But I still wonder if, in the heat of the battle, I can get any more out of them than a very simple task (ball away, hold for BCR). And even with that simple instruction, most kids struggle to not follow flow. Hell, many of our offenses depend on that.
Oh I hear you John
When we first were putting in the BCR to our corners no matter how hard we repped it you can see them flowing too fast from the backside to make a play, It wasn't till we burned them ALOT in practice did they get it. Same thing we had to do with our DEs
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