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Offline z80

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Which coverage
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:53:25 AM »
Hello Coaches,
i am coaching in europe at the moment and have a little dispute with a fellow coach and would like your advise and opinions on it.

We are playing 9 man football (NCAA rules, offense with 2 less interior line man, defense freee to do what they want, same field size etc)
Kids are 16-19 years old, so enhanced athletic abilities, but football knowledge over here is closer to an 8 year old in the US.

Planning the defense for the next season i am considering a slimmed down 4-2-5 by removing the weak side DT and one LB, but keep the same backfield. Mainly beeing in Cover 3. I prefer this as i expect more outside runs and then would have the SS/WS in a perfect position.

My other coach is coming more from a traditional 4-3 way and want to reduce it to a 3-2 with a Cover 2 on top.

What are your thought on this, or maybe you have even better ideas

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 09:17:39 AM »
Z80

Where in Europe?

I think running a version of Palm(2 read) with the 3-2 front would work.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 10:06:58 AM »
I have never coached 9 man but I have coached 8 man and when I did that we just did what we normally run, minus 3 players. We were a 4-3 and 4-4 team, so we just ran that and adjusted to the numbers. So we ran either a 2-3 or a 3-2 depending on our players. If we had 9 men we would have ran either a 2-4 or 4-2 Cover 1/3 or a 3-2 or 2-3 with cover 2.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 11:01:38 AM »
Hello Coaches,
i am coaching in europe at the moment and have a little dispute with a fellow coach and would like your advise and opinions on it.

We are playing 9 man football (NCAA rules, offense with 2 less interior line man, defense freee to do what they want, same field size etc)
Kids are 16-19 years old, so enhanced athletic abilities, but football knowledge over here is closer to an 8 year old in the US.

Planning the defense for the next season i am considering a slimmed down 4-2-5 by removing the weak side DT and one LB, but keep the same backfield. Mainly beeing in Cover 3. I prefer this as i expect more outside runs and then would have the SS/WS in a perfect position.

My other coach is coming more from a traditional 4-3 way and want to reduce it to a 3-2 with a Cover 2 on top.

What are your thought on this, or maybe you have even better ideas

3 down lineman
5 eligible receivers
1 qb

I see this... 6 potential cover guy

------2-------q------3--4
--1--------0-#-0-----------5
---c--------------------------c
------#---------------#--#
---------------f

Now for the box

-------0-#-0
------3-------3
----------N

N is not a nose and is not the mike he is your everything person.

If an eligible receiver lines up to create a 2 man side he goes there. If 2 eligible line up for a 5 man line he goes else where.

I would run cover 1 or 00... so cover 1 or cover 0 blitz

Think of match ups not lineman, lbs, dbs.

Dont over complicate it
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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 03:47:58 PM »
Since 3 man lines are hard to protect with and seal the backside of due to the short edges, I'd think you'll see a lot of tight and double tight sets to give the offense a 5 man line, but the TEs will be eligible receivers and could even be split out at times.

In this situation, I'd like a 5 man secondary to align to the 5 eligible receivers and play 4-2-5ish stuff with strength set to the field, because that's what I know.  You're going to want at least 2 LBs for pursuit so you don't overrun cutbacks.  That, to me, hints that a 2-2-5 with a pair of overhang DBs in the secondary would be nice--that way you have the 4 core gaps covered and can easily adjust to an added C gap.  You could even play those 2-2 stacked like a 3-3 team and run some simple gap exchanges in the box.

Align the overhangs off #2 to each side to force--playing a standing 5 tech if it's a TE and apexing out on a slot receiver if he's wide, so if you see a 5 man line in double tight you get something that looks like a 4-2-3 and have all your gaps covered.

For coverages, I'd really just focus on 3 deep/4 under and rush 2 when you want to play it safe and a pure Cov. 0 with some blitzes to bring 3-5 man pressure when you want to get after them (have the overhangs rush C gap and peel with any RB out).  Teach each blitz as a single call with the blitz replacement built in so that you stay sound and account for everybody.

The schemes and fundamentals you're going to see will probably be close to an 8 year old level in the USA, but the athletic ability of the players combined with fewer bodies on the field means that passes can become a bigger threat than the typical 8 year old youth defense needs to worry about.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2017, 02:18:53 AM »
Z80

Where in Europe?


Joe


Joe, in Germany

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 02:24:21 AM »
Thank you all for the answers, but the feedback here is as mixed as my thinking.
My other coach is suggesting the same as Joe with a 3-2 Cover 2,
whereas i am closer to coacharnold, maybe a 2-2 stack 5DB (whereas 2 could be played close to the line as force players, if they kepp more in the box) I am just fearing if i only have 4 in coverage and they come out empty we might face an issue. at least this is what i do most of the time offensivly, beeing in a 3x1 set and spread them.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 07:41:39 AM »
Z

Germany plays some very good football. IMHO the real issue is what is it that you know & what can you teach.
 The idea behind running 2 Read(Palm) is that the 2 ILB don't have to worry about getting width before depth &
 they can handle any crossers. Yet, you can still cover 4 verts. It would be Gap Sound, & allow the defense to attack.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 07:48:40 AM »
Joe to be very honest i am not an expert in 2 Read concepts and have to learn them myself first. Any good material on it you could recomment?

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 08:22:37 AM »
To me it comes down to what you are going to face. If you face a lot of running teams, then you need more guys in the box. If you see a lot of passing then you need more guys in the secondary. Also, can you stop the run and get pressure with only 2 linemen? Can you defend the pass with only 3 DBs? What kind of players do you have? These are all questions I would need to answer before I could determine what kind of front I ran and what kind of coverage I ran behind it.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2017, 08:27:08 AM »
Thank you for the links:
Just for my understanding, if i play it like this in a let'S say 2x2 set, wouldn't that pull the LB out quite far and have then an uncovered gap in the box, as no LB left

Dimson, i expect around 60% run 40% pass, run primarily outside as there is a lot of ground to be defended. For the players i have one stud LB and the rest more athletic type of players

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 08:34:50 AM »
Z

The ILB's would align outside eye of the guard. The Secondary would handle the 2x2.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 08:36:56 AM »
Thank you for the links:
Just for my understanding, if i play it like this in a let'S say 2x2 set, wouldn't that pull the LB out quite far and have then an uncovered gap in the box, as no LB left

Dimson, i expect around 60% run 40% pass, run primarily outside as there is a lot of ground to be defended. For the players i have one stud LB and the rest more athletic type of players
What kind of linemen do you have? If you have 2 good to ones, I would run a 2 man front.

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Re: Which coverage
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 09:00:21 AM »
DTs i would rate medium, DEs are quite solid.

Joe, i was referring to the links you have sent, where the LBs take over underneath/flat coverage, so would you skip that completly?