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Offline Coach E

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 05:37:03 PM »
Is the blocking style described used mainly with the foot-to-foot of a Double Wing offense? Is this something that could be adapted for use with much wider splits?
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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2018, 08:14:17 PM »
Never tried it but I would imagine it could work. Dave may be able to chime in as he has more experience. Honestly Iíd rather use my elbows to control someone than my hands. Hurts them way more and itís close quarters so I can get some really good shots. Kind of like what they teach in CQC, if they get in tight throw a punch and follow with the elbow. Itís right there and deadly.

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2018, 10:22:37 PM »
Is the blocking style described used mainly with the foot-to-foot of a Double Wing offense? Is this something that could be adapted for use with much wider splits?

After coming up with this approach to blocking, the only other offense I've coached was the Spread in 2016 and had hands-blocking foisted upon me.  I would have loved to use X-Men while coaching the Spread run-game.  But like everything else, our scheme was dictated by the Varsity header.

I think it would work for any run-based offense because the success of the run game is based on firing off the LOS, engaging a defender and driving them backwards.  If you're interested in hurting your opponent as well, it's an added bonus. It works for us because it coincides with our emphasis on physicality, as well as running the Double Wing, which is simply football in a phone booth.

I don't think it would work for a Spread-based offense where offensive lines employ kick-slides (backwards blocking) and reach/extension to be able to assist the defensive line into running hoops, so that a pocket is formed for the QB.  We are not trying to build a pocket (yet we've thrown 5 touchdown passes this year in our 4 games).

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2018, 10:33:20 PM »
I have tried 2 point with our guys but the HC insists on 3 point stances. I feel we are too slow out of 3 and I feel our guys can't see who to block as well out of a 3. But a crappy 3 point stance is a real stance I guess.

It seems to me that the problem isn't that your players are in a 3 point stance but that they are in a crappy 3 point stance. Done correctly a 3 point is always going to be faster firing out than a 2 point.  Now if you are a pass heavy team a two point might make more sense but most youth teams are run first.

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2018, 11:26:54 PM »
It seems to me that the problem isn't that your players are in a 3 point stance but that they are in a crappy 3 point stance. Done correctly a 3 point is always going to be faster firing out than a 2 point.  Now if you are a pass heavy team a two point might make more sense but most youth teams are run first.

The problem with this statement is that most Youth Players do not have the core strength to get in a decent, balanced, 3 point stance and Fire Off.  You can choose to fight a crappy 3 point stance for hours in practice, or, you can allow a more athletic 2 point stance and move on to more productive stuff like who and how to block. 

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2018, 11:37:38 PM »
It seems to me that the problem isn't that your players are in a 3 point stance but that they are in a crappy 3 point stance. Done correctly a 3 point is always going to be faster firing out than a 2 point.  Now if you are a pass heavy team a two point might make more sense but most youth teams are run first.

With the exception of my 2016 foray into the Spread, we have never been a passing team.  But we have been a 2-point stance team for most of the past decade.  We've always been faster playing out of a 2-point stance.  The 2-point stance with a dropped instep gives an offensive lineman an advantage that a 3-point stance can't.  It turns the hips inward towards the Center.  As a result of turning the hips, we can downblock faster on the playside, pull faster on the backside and Wedge faster.  Not only can't you turn in your hips while in a 3-point stance, the first thing an offensive lineman does when the ball is snapped is get out of the 3-point stance.  So why get in it?

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2018, 11:49:42 PM »
The problem with this statement is that most Youth Players do not have the core strength to get in a decent, balanced, 3 point stance and Fire Off.  You can choose to fight a crappy 3 point stance for hours in practice, or, you can allow a more athletic 2 point stance and move on to more productive stuff like who and how to block.

A strong core can be hard to find in high school players, as well.  Especially offensive linemen. 

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2018, 08:06:27 AM »
We went to "flipper" blocking this year. We run single wing and a balance front offense. Don't know if you guys literally mean an x. But were good old fists in chest lead with shoulder, head up, and a lot of footwork which is same foot technique as hands blocking. The correct angle of stomp, 2nd foot in ground third step up field all 7 cleats, accelerating feet on contact etc. We use hands in pass pro. The results have been excellent. Broken rushing records, given up 1 sack all year, only 1 holding penalty and it was the guard in open field. We are going into game 9 and we throw 16x a game avg. I won't go back to hands blocking in the box again unless I get a line that can all bench 300 or more. I do tell the guys we don't block we hit and fit.
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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2018, 09:09:02 AM »
The problem with this statement is that most Youth Players do not have the core strength to get in a decent, balanced, 3 point stance and Fire Off.  You can choose to fight a crappy 3 point stance for hours in practice, or, you can allow a more athletic 2 point stance and move on to more productive stuff like who and how to block. 

jmho


So you have these kids in a 2 point on defense then as well?

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2018, 09:19:03 AM »
Dave, do you have any clips showing this blocking style?

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2018, 09:36:55 AM »
Dave, do you have any clips showing this blocking style?

Brian, none that's really helpful.  Maybe I can get some at practice to post.

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2018, 09:48:27 AM »
Well, this certainly could have helped me a lot this year. We ran out of Beast and our blocking was...inconsistent...and my teaching abysmal. Had I only been part of some online community where I could have asked for help reached out earlier and requested this help.
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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2018, 09:51:03 AM »
Dave, do you have any clips showing this blocking style?
This please. It is hard for me to teach it, if I can't see it.

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2018, 09:51:32 AM »
So you have these kids in a 2 point on defense then as well?

Defensively, we aren't trying to pull, down block, or Wedge.  So unlike what we do on the offensive line, there's no lateral movement in what we do on the defensive line.   We're a gap-assignment team.  We line up in gaps and are just trying to torpedo ourselves forward off the LOS, get skinny and get gap-penetration.  (Think straight-ahead Superman/Shoeshine launch.)  Anything that can make us sit higher (like a 2-point stance), or sit further back (like a 2-point stance) would make us an easier target to be blocked.  (Now you CAN sit as low in a 2-point as in a 3 if you want, because the only difference would be the hand in the dirt.  But I want our fists in our armpits ASAP, when we fire off the LOS and that's takes longer with one hand on the ground.) We taught MPRs to fire across and land on their belly in the gap so that O-Lines couldn't pull and offensive linemen couldn't move laterally because we were stuck in between their gaps like a log, except that we had deeper penetration to potentially screw up backfield movement.

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Re: Dont Block... Just Hit
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2018, 09:59:09 AM »
Well, this certainly could have helped me a lot this year. We ran out of Beast and our blocking was...inconsistent...and my teaching abysmal. Had I only been part of some online community where I could have asked for help reached out earlier and requested this help.

lol. Well ya know, we've only been teaching this approach forever and no one except Prodigy was ever interested.  Now my man Brian (bdjackson) gets on here and starts talking about it and people get buzzed or start arguing about it.  Brian picked it up from me over the phone, and it's not hard.  With some coaches, making a call is more important than to others. 

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