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Offline CoachDP

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Re: Ego
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2018, 09:57:25 AM »
I've posted this before, regarding a game we played in 2011:

"About three years ago at KHS,  our opponent had come from almost three hours away and they were a last minute replacement for a team that had cancelled on us.  Since we had already paid for the stadium, officials, etc. we had committed ourselves to playing this game.  At halftime, they were already up by a lot.  I asked their header what he wanted to do for the 2nd Half.  I said, "You've got a long trip back.  Do you want a running clock for the 2nd Half so you can get home early, or do you want a regular clock?"  He said, "We've got a lot of kids we'd still like to play, so I'd like a regular clock."  I addressed him (and his team) by saying, "That's fine.  But do us ONE favor.  Don't insult or embarrass us by easing off the gas pedal.  If you are going to play us, play us as hard as you can because I know that we will."  They went on to beat us, 55-6.   My point is this: whether we lost by 7 or 70, a loss is a loss.  I would have found it more embarrassing to lose while they just went through the motions, and letting linemen carry the ball instead of playing real, hard football.  They continued to play hard and so did we.  I respected them for that, and I think they respected us for wanting them to play that way."

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Re: Ego
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2018, 10:16:43 AM »
Its a sad day when you have to coach the other team as well as your own.

And yet Robert, it seems to be the expectation when a losing coach can't handle being a losing coach.  "Now we have to play the rest of the game making sure that we don't hurt our opponent's feelings."

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« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 10:43:36 AM by CoachDP »
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Re: Ego
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2018, 10:49:45 AM »
And yet Robert, it seems to be the expectation when a losing coach can't handle being a losing coach.  "Now we have to play the rest of the game making sure that we don't hurt our opponent's feelings."

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Last night a player from the Denver nuggets had 48 points and his team was ahead by like 10 points with a few seconds to go the player with 48 on the winning team puts up a 3 to get 51 points but missed.
The other team took offense to it and said he shouldn't have done that.

I immediately thought, "Why didn't they take offense to him scoring so much and play some damn defense earlier?"

If you don't like someone scoring then play friggen defense

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Re: Ego
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2018, 11:14:15 AM »
I immediately thought, "Why didn't they take offense to him scoring so much and play some damn defense earlier?"

If you don't like someone scoring then play friggen defense

Exactly.

And it's a waste of time complaining about it because there's nothing you can do.  So why not focus on something you can control, like your own team?  If you don't like the results you're getting, affect change with your own team because you surely can't affect change with someone else's team.

And you have no idea what another coach's motivation is for why he's putting in a certain kid, why he's calling a certain play, why they're calling a time-out to get another play in, etc.  So stop trying to invent scenarios where you're feeling slighted or disrespected.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2018, 11:28:30 AM »
And before anyone thinks that I'm one of those run-up-the-score types...I care about how we execute, not how many points we score.  I want us to be excellent at the beginning and the end of the game.  I've taken knees, allowed linemen to run the ball, and played the 2s and 3s for the duration.  But I've also been accused of anything and everything because losing coaches do a great job of inventing scenarios where they think they're being disrespected. 

My job is to coach and take care of my players.  The other coach has his job.  If his players are handing out late hits, or hits out of bounds, or his players are cussing or talking trash, I may not like it but that's HIS team and he has every right to coach his team his way.  Just like I have every right to coach mine my way.  If you don't like the traffic at 5pm, then don't drive at 5pm, or find a better radio station to listen to.  But if you think that complaining about the traffic at 5pm is going to change something for the better, that's unlikely.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2018, 11:37:51 AM »
I've posted this before, regarding a game we played in 2011:

"About three years ago at KHS,  our opponent had come from almost three hours away and they were a last minute replacement for a team that had cancelled on us.  Since we had already paid for the stadium, officials, etc. we had committed ourselves to playing this game.  At halftime, they were already up by a lot.  I asked their header what he wanted to do for the 2nd Half.  I said, "You've got a long trip back.  Do you want a running clock for the 2nd Half so you can get home early, or do you want a regular clock?"  He said, "We've got a lot of kids we'd still like to play, so I'd like a regular clock."  I addressed him (and his team) by saying, "That's fine.  But do us ONE favor.  Don't insult or embarrass us by easing off the gas pedal.  If you are going to play us, play us as hard as you can because I know that we will."  They went on to beat us, 55-6.   My point is this: whether we lost by 7 or 70, a loss is a loss.  I would have found it more embarrassing to lose while they just went through the motions, and letting linemen carry the ball instead of playing real, hard football.  They continued to play hard and so did we.  I respected them for that, and I think they respected us for wanting them to play that way."

I spent the first season as a Coach getting beat worse than that.  I have no problem getting my arse handed to me, we didnt have Football at all Junior or High School.  A Real Learning experience for all of us.  Yet Karma has a way of coming round.  "Do unto others" has always been a good reference point. 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2018, 11:44:14 AM »
Mike, so a 30-0 loss was worse than a 24-0 loss?

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A little context. For me, at least, it wasn't about trying to score at the end. Ref asked the on-field coach if he was going to take a knee and the answer was no. Another coach on our sideline took exception to this and threw out the word "classless". My take is that we work all week, watch film and generally prepare to play football, so let's play some damn football.

It was the opposing coach's attitude that I will remember if the situation is ever flipped. The other team took about a dozen block in the back, blindside, late hit and "piling on" penalties. This also happened in the game where I scouted them. Instead of fixing his team's behavior, he opted instead to act like a child to the point that the white hat said, "One more word and you are ejected."

It wasn't that he tried his best to score at the end, and to me, it wasn't so much that he used his stud back. It was the volume, tone and body language when he told the ref he wasn't taking a knee. He was making a point. Point taken. I like to make points, too and I'm confident that we'll get the chance to make that point in the future.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2018, 11:46:30 AM »
A little context. For me, at least, it wasn't about trying to score at the end. Ref asked the on-field coach if he was going to take a knee and the answer was no. Another coach on our sideline took exception to this and threw out the word "classless". My take is that we work all week, watch film and generally prepare to play football, so let's play some damn football.

It was the opposing coach's attitude that I will remember if the situation is ever flipped. The other team took about a dozen block in the back, blindside, late hit and "piling on" penalties. This also happened in the game where I scouted them. Instead of fixing his team's behavior, he opted instead to act like a child to the point that the white hat said, "One more word and you are ejected."

It wasn't that he tried his best to score at the end, and to me, it wasn't so much that he used his stud back. It was the volume, tone and body language when he told the ref he wasn't taking a knee. He was making a point. Point taken. I like to make points, too and I'm confident that we'll get the chance to make that point in the future.


Sounds like this need for revenge is based on a lot of assumptions.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2018, 11:49:49 AM »
Mike, so a 30-0 loss was worse than a 24-0 loss?

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Sorry I missed this...under the circumstances...way worse.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2018, 11:51:00 AM »
This season has been a real eye-opener for me. I may have had an ego about results going in; not any longer. Taking stock after an "oh-fer" season is humbling, to say the least, if you're honest with yourself. On the bright side, I did find lots and lots of things to not do next year.

As far as "classless" coaches, I was annoyed during a couple of games when the opposing coaches pulled out everything including the kitchen sink to score against us. Looking back, I realize now that was my ego because they were able to exploit a weakness I missed in preparing for the game. Good lesson for me going forward. I can't get better unless I realize it's my fault.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2018, 11:52:37 AM »

Sounds like this need for revenge is based on a lot of assumptions.

There's no need for revenge. I just know that if we're up on this team in the future and reach for the jar of "nice guy", I won't be surprised to find I'm fresh out.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »
There's no need for revenge. I just know that if we're up on this team in the future and reach for the jar of "nice guy", I won't be surprised to find I'm fresh out.

... In the spirit of voting day, were you looking to contradict yourself that quickly like a tried and true politician?

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Re: Ego
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2018, 11:58:02 AM »
Look, I have fallen into the trap of "wanting revenge" on a coach.  What a waste of time though. The kids don't understand it, they don't get whats going on.  What is the point then?  That 100% makes it about you, and not the kids.  The best thing you can do is learn from it and move on.  Stop making it about you. 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2018, 12:27:03 PM »
I can't get better unless I realize it's my fault.

You just got better.  ;)

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Re: Ego
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2018, 12:28:48 PM »
I have fallen into the trap of "wanting revenge" on a coach.  What a waste of time though. The kids don't understand it, they don't get whats going on.  What is the point then?  That 100% makes it about you, and not the kids.  The best thing you can do is learn from it and move on.  Stop making it about you.

Best post you ever typed, Brian.

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