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Re: Ego
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2018, 12:31:41 PM »
I just know that if we're up on this team in the future and reach for the jar of "nice guy", I won't be surprised to find I'm fresh out.

Lar, my point is that you're still taking this personally.  Forget the jar of "nice guy," just as you should forget the jar of "mean guy."  Coach your team and don't worry that your opponent has a jackass for a coach.  This should hardly be a revelation.  MOST teams have a jackass for a coach.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2018, 12:34:42 PM »
My assumption going in is that my opponent will have a jackass for a header, they will have jackasses for a staff, their kids will talk trash and behave poorly.  I'm rarely surprised yet almost always disappointed.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2018, 12:40:55 PM »
Okay, so I had a mad on for a coach a few years back...I don't even remember why...but going into the game, I told my OC to "hang half a hundred on them"...it was a weird game, we were playing them and the officials...despite that, we were up by 4 or 5 scores and had one score called back on a phantom holding call...anyway, 4th Quarter, we are driving the ball again, with backups everywhere except for QB, I told my OC to run Timmy on Power...from about 10 yards out...the Timmy scored his first ever TD...but wait...some penalty brought it back, probably illegal shift...they were hitting us with it all day, because we were motioning away from the LOS...anyway, 1st and 15...I told the OC, "again", he didn't get in, but he got the 1st down...then I said victory formation, he looked at me like I had grown a third eye or something, so I repeated victory formation, still around 2 minutes on the clock...we kneeled it out...on the way to the handshake line, he asked "I thought you wanted half a hundred?", I said, "I did, but he know we beat him, badly, no need to pile on, we don't need to be him"..."We gave Timmy two chances to score, he got one the crew took away, he'll get in soon enough"...which he did, the very next game.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2018, 01:04:17 PM »
I said victory formation, he looked at me like I had grown a third eye or something, so I repeated victory formation, still around 2 minutes on the clock...we kneeled it out...on the way to the handshake line, he asked "I thought you wanted half a hundred?", I said, "I did, but he know we beat him, badly, no need to pile on, we don't need to be him"..."We gave Timmy two chances to score, he got one the crew took away, he'll get in soon enough"...which he did, the very next game.

And some opposing coaches would be upset if Timmy had scored, others would be upset that Timmy was trying to score, some would argue that for two of those plays you were trying to "be him," etc.  So everyone has a different benchmark of what they find okay, and what's crossing the line.  It's impossible for me to find what every opponent finds objectionable, and what they're okay with.  So I don't try.  I run my team.  And let them run theirs.  Chances are, I already know if they're a jackass anyway.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2018, 02:13:14 PM »
Interesting to read the thread topic of "ego" and then read the posts (from the OP all the way to the end).  The irony is unreal.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2018, 02:36:01 PM »
Interesting to read the thread topic of "ego" and then read the posts (from the OP all the way to the end).  The irony is unreal.

Care to expand on that.  or just a drive by snipe?

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Re: Ego
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2018, 02:38:24 PM »
Care to expand on that.  or just a drive by snipe?
More of a drive by fruity than a snipe.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2018, 02:41:57 PM »
Look, I have fallen into the trap of "wanting revenge" on a coach.  What a waste of time though. The kids don't understand it, they don't get whats going on.  What is the point then?  That 100% makes it about you, and not the kids.  The best thing you can do is learn from it and move on.  Stop making it about you.

Nah. You got it backwards. When it comes to "me", I'm the least competitive guy you'll ever meet. When it comes to my guys, it's all about their success. They are the ones on the field. The kids don't understand it? I don't buy that at all. Maybe at first, yeah, most of them thought this was extended recess. By mid-season, our guys understood most of what was going on. I will proceed as if they understand.

Good example is last Spring. We were up big on a team and were about to try new plays, get other kids the ball, etc. In fact, we ran a 9th string RB 3 times in a row, giving us 4th and Kansas from the 30 something. We decided to try the 45 yard field goal and made it. The other team didn't like that and decided to get "pay back". On the ensuing kick off, one of their guys stood up one of our players near the far sideline while his buddy ear-holed him, then celebrated like they won the Super Bowl. Total blind side hit. The ball was kicked on the near sideline. It wasn't an onside kick, but we still recovered it, yet the two players continued chanting and taunting and carrying on. Even their coach was on the field celebrating. "THAT'S THE WAY TO HIT!!!" even though they just committed yet another turnover.

So my guy knew he was on the receiving end of a cheap shot and it infuriated me to see that happen and see their coach endorse it. It wasn't the only cheap nonsense going on either. So we got our payback on the scoreboard. Wasn't about me, or any other adult. It was about our guy saying, "Hey, when you tell the story about that hit, make sure you mention the score."
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Re: Ego
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2018, 02:49:27 PM »
Lar, my point is that you're still taking this personally. 
Guilty and unapologetic. I care about my guys. I'm usually a mellow person, but I have "buttons".

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Forget the jar of "nice guy," just as you should forget the jar of "mean guy."  Coach your team and don't worry that your opponent has a jackass for a coach.  This should hardly be a revelation.  MOST teams have a jackass for a coach.

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I try. I really do. When said jackass affects my players negatively, I don't always succeed. In the case of this particular coach, their super star broke about 9 tackles, reversed field 3 times and out ran everyone. Hell of a run and good for that kid (sincerely). It was the coach yelling loud enough for the entire field, "NO ONE ON THAT TEAM CAN TACKLE YOU!", which caused at least 2 of my players to cry. That was when I discovered yet another "button". Nothing we could do about it on that day, but our day will come.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2018, 03:10:45 PM »
Guilty and unapologetic. I care about my guys.

--And I do, as well.  But my love for our players doesn't have anything to do with our opponents.

I'm usually a mellow person, but I have "buttons".

--I get that.  We all do.  But the kids signed up to play and you signed up to coach.  Best you can hope for is to prepare them for football's "realities."  This is a game that shouldn't cater to snowflakes.  Or snowflake coaching (i.e., rule-impacting Slaughter Rules).  Kids already get enough of that in real life.  This can be a harsh game that teaches life lessons like no other.  I feel like you're trying to teach life lessons in ways that are similar to others. (How do we make life less lopsided?)

--In the end, if you are going to judge your opponents, then be prepared for them to make not only those same judgements about you (Mojo, etc.), but also judgements that have nothing to do with reality.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2018, 03:15:29 PM »
It was the coach yelling loud enough for the entire field, "NO ONE ON THAT TEAM CAN TACKLE YOU!",

--Agree that their "coach" is a 4-star clown.

which caused at least 2 of my players to cry.

--Well, you need to get over that, my friend.  Nothing wrong with crying.  Their feelings were hurt, that's all; it's not the end of the world.  And I'd hope that their feelings were hurt seriously enough to warrant that outpour of emotion.  Too many coaches complain that their kids don't care.  Yours obviously do.  Wear that like a badge of honor.

That was when I discovered yet another "button". Nothing we could do about it on that day, but our day will come.

--I don't doubt it. 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »
We decided to try the 45 yard field goal and made it. The other team didn't like that and decided to get "pay back".

You're making my point, Lar.  You can't complain about other coaches sticking it to you, when you are trying 45-yard field goals when you're "up big" on a team.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2018, 03:22:02 PM »
So my guy knew he was on the receiving end of a cheap shot and it infuriated me to see that happen and see their coach endorse it.

Yes, but you could be looked at as the one who lit the fuse by running trick plays and attempting 45-yard field goals when you're way ahead.  In your opponent's mind, they're retaliating for your actions.

If you're going to live that way (trick plays and FGs when way ahead [and I don't care]), then you have no room to complain about someone trying to give it back to you.

You can't have it both ways. 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2018, 03:30:57 PM »
Nah. You got it backwards. When it comes to "me", I'm the least competitive guy you'll ever meet. When it comes to my guys, it's all about their success. They are the ones on the field. The kids don't understand it? I don't buy that at all. Maybe at first, yeah, most of them thought this was extended recess. By mid-season, our guys understood most of what was going on. I will proceed as if they understand.

Good example is last Spring. We were up big on a team and were about to try new plays, get other kids the ball, etc. In fact, we ran a 9th string RB 3 times in a row, giving us 4th and Kansas from the 30 something. We decided to try the 45 yard field goal and made it. The other team didn't like that and decided to get "pay back". On the ensuing kick off, one of their guys stood up one of our players near the far sideline while his buddy ear-holed him, then celebrated like they won the Super Bowl. Total blind side hit. The ball was kicked on the near sideline. It wasn't an onside kick, but we still recovered it, yet the two players continued chanting and taunting and carrying on. Even their coach was on the field celebrating. "THAT'S THE WAY TO HIT!!!" even though they just committed yet another turnover.

So my guy knew he was on the receiving end of a cheap shot and it infuriated me to see that happen and see their coach endorse it. It wasn't the only cheap nonsense going on either. So we got our payback on the scoreboard. Wasn't about me, or any other adult. It was about our guy saying, "Hey, when you tell the story about that hit, make sure you mention the score."

Spring was 8th graders.  Mahonz is talking about bobble heads.  Trust me, your kids have no idea about this "perceived injustice." 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2018, 03:34:52 PM »
Guilty and unapologetic. I care about my guys. I'm usually a mellow person, but I have "buttons".

I try. I really do. When said jackass affects my players negatively, I don't always succeed. In the case of this particular coach, their super star broke about 9 tackles, reversed field 3 times and out ran everyone. Hell of a run and good for that kid (sincerely). It was the coach yelling loud enough for the entire field, "NO ONE ON THAT TEAM CAN TACKLE YOU!", which caused at least 2 of my players to cry. That was when I discovered yet another "button". Nothing we could do about it on that day, but our day will come.

Lol. If thatís all it takes iím gonna guess you have a lot of buttons. Thatís pretty tame as far as trash talk goes. Especially since it appears to have been an accurate statement. 
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