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Offline CoachDP

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Re: Ego
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2018, 03:37:05 PM »
The kids don't understand it? I don't buy that at all. Maybe at first, yeah, most of them thought this was extended recess. By mid-season, our guys understood most of what was going on. I will proceed as if they understand.

So you're going to make your private battle, theirs?  You're going to ask your players to fight your battle?  Why not just invent scenarios for each opponent?  You know, the fake "social media message" that you read on "their message board" about how they're going to put you on the clock?

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Re: Ego
« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2018, 03:39:08 PM »
Yes, but you could be looked at as the one who lit the fuse by running trick plays and attempting 45-yard field goals when you're way ahead.  In your opponent's mind, they're retaliating for your actions.

If you're going to live that way (trick plays and FGs when way ahead [and I don't care]), then you have no room to complain about someone trying to give it back to you.

You can't have it both ways. 

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This is such a solid point right here.  Maybe your opponent was getting his revenge on something.  Who knows.  So now you guys want to make it into a big dumb cycle of revenge.  You get your revenge, now he needs to get his revenge, which will mean you will have to get revenge again.  Meanwhile your kids are flossing on the sidelines, and are none the wiser. 

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Re: Ego
« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2018, 03:42:16 PM »
If thatís all it takes iím gonna guess you have a lot of buttons. Thatís pretty tame as far as trash talk goes. Especially since it appears to have been an accurate statement.

Accurate or not Jake, that kind of blowhard really has no place in this game, even though it's prevalent.  I can certainly understand why Lar would be angry.  That clown yelling about your players is a personal insult in a public arena.  He's celebrating his own victory at your expense in a boorish and juvenile way

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Re: Ego
« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2018, 03:47:37 PM »
You get your revenge, now he needs to get his revenge, which will mean you will have to get revenge again.

And some coaches thrive on that, Brian.  It's like trash-talking.  I hate it.  I don't allow it from my players, yet it's a prevalent part of the game.  And more and more, it becomes an even celebrated part of the game as football becomes more and more juvenile in its stature.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2018, 03:50:26 PM »
When someone says "it's not about the money"........it's usually about the money.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2018, 03:50:40 PM »
I feel like you're trying to teach life lessons in ways that are similar to others. (How do we make life less lopsided?)

I don't see how I'm trying to make thing less lopsided. Again, it didn't bother me in the least that the opposing coach chose to run 4 plays inside the 5 rather than take a knee. It didn't even bother me that he gave the ball to his stud RB, although that bothered Mahonz. What pissed me off were his theatrics and that he was clearly trying to send a message to the referees. I understand that's entirely up to my interpretation, but I'm willing to accept that.

In a nutshell, coach made my players feel bad. So one day, hopefully, my players will experience the joy of beating that coach and maybe beating him badly. That would be a great life lesson. Keep working hard and your day will come.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2018, 03:52:08 PM »
Accurate or not Jake, that kind of blowhard really has no place in this game, even though it's prevalent.  I can certainly understand why Lar would be angry.  That clown yelling about your players is a personal insult in a public arena.  He's celebrating his own victory at your expense in a boorish and juvenile way

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I mean, itís def clown behavior. Iím just sayin if THAT is one of your buttons, youíre probably pissed off a lot. Cuz thatís just some standard issue vanilla trash talk.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #67 on: November 06, 2018, 03:56:49 PM »
You're making my point, Lar.  You can't complain about other coaches sticking it to you, when you are trying 45-yard field goals when you're "up big" on a team.

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I don't believe I've ever complained of coaches "sticking it" to me. Instead of trying a 45 yard field goal, we could have just run Blast again for a 50+ yard TD. Also, I never complained when they started playing dirty. I just stated my case for putting our foot back on the gas.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2018, 03:58:59 PM »
As I said earlier.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, is always a good reference point.  :)
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Re: Ego
« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2018, 04:02:24 PM »
I don't see how I'm trying to make thing less lopsided. Again, it didn't bother me in the least that the opposing coach chose to run 4 plays inside the 5 rather than take a knee. It didn't even bother me that he gave the ball to his stud RB, although that bothered Mahonz. What pissed me off were his theatrics and that he was clearly trying to send a message to the referees. I understand that's entirely up to my interpretation, but I'm willing to accept that.

In a nutshell, coach made my players feel bad. So one day, hopefully, my players will experience the joy of beating that coach and maybe beating him badly. That would be a great life lesson. Keep working hard and your day will come.

I bet your kids got over that feeling incredibly fast. 

You have been coaching long enough to know winning is not about the score, its about how they played.  If you finally get your revenge and beat this team, and your team plays like crap... how happy are you going to be?

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Re: Ego
« Reply #70 on: November 06, 2018, 04:04:12 PM »
Spring was 8th graders.  Mahonz is talking about bobble heads.  Trust me, your kids have no idea about this "perceived injustice."

We'll agree to disagree. Both age groups feel the emotion. Seasoned 8th graders tend to react with more aggression and determination because by now, they understand what "Mojo" is about. Most bobbleheads, left to their own devices will sulk away from the conflict.

It's like if your son was ever being bullied. If he's the type of kid to roll over and take it, most of us dads will try to encourage him to face the problem. Not saying to go fight him, but at least stand up for himself. So the words of this "adult" embarrassed one or two of my players. They came to the sideline and cried. I'd like to see them use that. If it fuels their fire to work harder, pay attention, miss fewer practices, then we made lemonade.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2018, 04:06:40 PM »
We'll agree to disagree. Both age groups feel the emotion. Seasoned 8th graders tend to react with more aggression and determination because by now, they understand what "Mojo" is about. Most bobbleheads, left to their own devices will sulk away from the conflict.

It's like if your son was ever being bullied. If he's the type of kid to roll over and take it, most of us dads will try to encourage him to face the problem. Not saying to go fight him, but at least stand up for himself. So the words of this "adult" embarrassed one or two of my players. They came to the sideline and cried. I'd like to see them use that. If it fuels their fire to work harder, pay attention, miss fewer practices, then we made lemonade.

Its not sulking away from the conflict, its their youthful ignorance having a natural pettiness filter.

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Re: Ego
« Reply #72 on: November 06, 2018, 04:06:58 PM »
Yes, but you could be looked at as the one who lit the fuse by running trick plays and attempting 45-yard field goals when you're way ahead.  In your opponent's mind, they're retaliating for your actions.

If you're going to live that way (trick plays and FGs when way ahead [and I don't care]), then you have no room to complain about someone trying to give it back to you.

You can't have it both ways. 

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Well, at that point in the game, we hadn't run any trick plays yet. Also, there's a big difference between running up the score and encouraging personal fouls. At least to me, there is. Feel free to disagree.
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Re: Ego
« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2018, 04:07:08 PM »
I don't see how I'm trying to make thing less lopsided.

--What I mean is that you seem unwilling to allow the ugliness in football to teach your own players some very harsh lessons.

What pissed me off were his theatrics and that he was clearly trying to send a message to the referees.

--I get that, too.  I hate coaching against jackasses.  I much prefer to coach against those I respect.

In a nutshell, coach made my players feel bad.

--When I've been in that situation, I felt like I made my players feel bad because I didn't have them prepared.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to take the blame because I know I have more control over it.

So one day, hopefully, my players will experience the joy of beating that coach and maybe beating him badly. That would be a great life lesson. Keep working hard and your day will come.

--Yes, agree.  A great life lesson.  ;)

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Re: Ego
« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2018, 04:09:02 PM »
LOL...what a load of PC crap.

Sorry I got involved.

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