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Offline Wing-n-It

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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2018, 10:39:14 AM »
I guarantee that I will never pick him again!
I don't play fantasy but I am a steelers fan (Please insert rape comment from Mike here) and Bell has really pissed me off for the last few years.
Some "fans" of the steelers has also been getting on my nerves saying they just should've signed bell. What a bunch of morons.
Over history the steelers are undefeated when it comes to contracts. They will not overpay.
I look at Mike Wallace, willie parker, franco harris, santonio holmes and the list goes on where the steelers made them famous and they thought they were worth more and the steelers let them go and they did squat in their next teams.
But everytime the steelers lose a game people are like "oh see we need Bell"
including bell.
2017 bell had just 9 TDs rushing averaging 4 yards per carry
2018 James Conner has 12 Tds averaging 4.8 YPC
Receiving Bell had 2 TDs and 655 yards receiving 7.7 yards per reception
Conner has 467 yards with 9.0 per reception and just 1 TD

Conner has already outproduced  Bell and bells stats were for the whole season, conner missed last weeks game with an ankle and the season isn't done yet.

Im done ranting. Bell just triggers me
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2018, 11:06:11 AM »
Its Cousins
He has 4 wins vs. a team with a winning record in his career

This is why he was overhyped and Washington knew it

Now lets see what dumb ass team will overpay Le'Veon Bell

I never said he wasn't overpaid.  I'm not a huge proponent of Cousins either; but it bothers me when people throw things out without fully analyzing the situation.

Can you honestly tell me that you've watched the games?  Or just highlights? 
BTW, that stat of "record vs winning teams" is based off of the teams' final records...not record when he played them.  Lots of things change with a team during a season (injuries, etc.) that mislead that stat.

I hate the rhetoric that wins and losses are all on the QB.  Cousins has played his arse off in a lot of those games that they lost against winning teams...the Redskins never had quality WRs, nor a good defense (21st, 28th, 28th, 20th, and 18th ranked) while he was there.

BTW, Cousins actually ranked as the #8 best QB for the first half of the season with the NFL's 29th ranked O-Line at that point.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2018, 11:54:43 AM »
Alls im saying is the same thing Dennis Green said

You are what your record says you are

The Vikings had a better record last year with Case Keenum
Hes good just not worth the money they paid

I have no dog in the fight.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2018, 11:57:15 AM »
Could have been worse. You could have had Kareem Hunt on both of your fantasy teams like I do. Talk about season killer.

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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2018, 12:14:52 PM »
Alls im saying is the same thing Dennis Green said

You are what your record says you are

The Vikings had a better record last year with Case Keenum
Hes good just not worth the money they paid

I have no dog in the fight.

Well....Cousins has a better record than Keenum this year....

So under this "you are what your record says you are"....should the Dolphins have moved on from Dan Marino because he had a losing record in the postseason?  And is Jeff Garcia a better QB than Marino because he has a ring?

As my first post said, my observations as a football coach places more of a blame on DeFlippo.  He's not made to call plays in the NFL...and I think that has shown both times he's been given the opportunity.

I have no dog either.  Just don't like when people say things because that's what the news said. (Not saying this is you, that's why I asked the questions I did in the last post.)
It's very indicative of our current society.  The news is the gospel now days and that's why youth football is dying and we can all acknowledge that.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. I'll jump off the soapbox and go back to lurking.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2018, 12:36:01 PM »
Well....Cousins has a better record than Keenum this year....
Which is why Keenum was a decent fit for the Vikings.
You said their offensive line play isn't good this year, it wasn't good last year either. Keenum is more mobile and can extend plays through "Making stuff up as he goes". Cousins is more of a Do as youre told QB which is why the Oline looks horrible under cousins. Cousins cant get to the line and change the play of the OC either due to the inability to read a defense or by OC's choice but he can change plays, he doesn't. Matt Stafford has the same affliction, so does some others. Cousins has a good arm he's pretty accurate but he is system QB at best and cant think on the run or run.

So to your original question, its both the OC and the QB. They both are overpaid for what they "used" to be. They were both in situations last year which made them look better than they are.



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So under this "you are what your record says you are"....should the Dolphins have moved on from Dan Marino because he had a losing record in the postseason?  And is Jeff Garcia a better QB than Marino because he has a ring?
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He was decent and everyone knows the Dolphins were an offensive team and passed a lot. And the same people know you need a good running game and a stingy defense to win in the post season.

So marino is what his record said he was. a really good QB with no rings
Jeff Garcias record says what he is a decent at best QB with a ring.

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It's very indicative of our current society.  The news is the gospel now days and that's why youth football is dying and we can all acknowledge that.

Well good news is I have very little to do with todays society. I didn't even get a cell phone till I was mid 30s
The internet wasn't even invented till I was almost 30
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2018, 01:41:57 PM »
Which is why Keenum was a decent fit for the Vikings.
You said their offensive line play isn't good this year, it wasn't good last year either. Keenum is more mobile and can extend plays through "Making stuff up as he goes". Cousins is more of a Do as youre told QB which is why the Oline looks horrible under cousins. 


The line finished last year ranked 22nd and they are currently 29th this year.


Interestingly enough, Cousins has a better QBR under duress this year compared to what Keenum did last year, and has nearly identical rushing stats as well.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2018, 01:46:44 PM »

The line finished last year ranked 22nd and they are currently 29th this year.


Interestingly enough, Cousins has a better QBR under duress this year compared to what Keenum did last year, and has nearly identical rushing stats as well.

Sounds like they miss Norv.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2018, 01:57:45 PM »
Sounds like they miss Norv.

Well, the way our season (Panthers) is going...he might be looking for a job again if Rivera gets fired.

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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2018, 02:39:42 PM »
My take: it's Zimmer...and the offensive line. Zimmer has had "discussions" with DeFilippo stating he wanted to run the ball more and Zimm likes to pound it up the gut. This line, this QB and these RBs can't do that consistently. Their best running play is to come off tackle and set up the play action. And as someone else said, Cousins isn't to blame for some of those losses. If Thielen doesn't fumble late in the 2nd against the Saints, they go in to halftime up by 10 instead of down by 4. Likewise, the PJ Williams pick six in that game happens when Diggs stops his route just when the ball is released. Treadwell (don't get me started) single handedly cost the Vikings a win in their first game against the Packers. Rashod Hill lets the Rams' Ndamukong Suh right past into Cousins' face late in the game when the Vikings were driving. I could go on.

I watched that Seattle game and I couldn't figure out what the hell they were doing on offense. (The defense couldn't tackle worth a damn, either. While he made some good plays against the pass, but every time Holton Hill needed to make a stop against the run, he kept tackling turf. Grrr.) The play calling was very atypical of what DeFilippo has been doing all season. 4th and inches and we can't get the first? Cousins running for his life against a 3 and 4 man rush? No passes to Thielen until late in the 3rd quarter? All of the stuff the Vikings have done successfully this season was thrown out the window in favor of pounding the middle and then trying to go downtown.

There's gotta be something in the water here that make head coaches cling to bad decisions. It's the same old story in Viking country:
Jerry Burns vowing to burn down the house to protect Bob Schnelker...
Denny Green insisting taking a knee on 3rd down in the NFC title game was the right call...
Denny Green swearing the Giants stole their playbook when we got waxed in the NFC title game...
Mike Tice being a "player's coach" and letting the inmates run the asylum...
Brad Childress putting all his eggs in a wagon drawn by a beat up Brett Favre...
Leslie Frazier's first draft pick being Christian Ponder...

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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2018, 03:14:12 PM »
I believe it's a little of both....and the o-line.  Cousins has the most throws with a defender within two yards of him by a hefty margin. 

The play calling has been lackluster IMO.  They aren't playing to Cousins' strengths at all. Tons of screens and dump passes (Which may be an indicator of how they feel about the o-line being able to give him time in the pocket.)  I just really don't feel like DeFilippo is a good playcaller.

But, I do believe Cousins is leaving a lot to be desired.

I saw at least 3 situations where he had 3rd and short and got sacked on a 5 step drop. I'm thinking, "YOU NEED 2 FREAKING YARDS!!!"
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #131 on: December 12, 2018, 03:29:09 PM »
Well....Cousins has a better record than Keenum this year....



6-6-1 (Cousins) vs 6-7 (Keenum).  Yeah, that's a lot better.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2018, 03:37:29 PM »
6-6-1 (Cousins) vs 6-7 (Keenum).  Yeah, that's a lot better.

Never said how much better lol
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2018, 10:42:00 PM »
Never said how much better lol

I think Keenum is having similar issues to Cousins. Watching the Broncos v 49ers, I marveled at how fast the ball was getting out of Nick Mullens' hand for an 8-11 yard throw while also marveling at how long Keenum was hanging on to the ball for a 3-5 yard throw. Every team that's done well vs the Broncos pass rush gets the ball away quickly. EVERY defense the Broncos face gets incredible pressure on Keenum . . . yet . . . he's holding the ball forever.
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Re: Fantasy Football
« Reply #134 on: December 18, 2018, 11:48:54 AM »
Championship game all set! I love how their scores for the semifinal week were just .12 points apart!
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