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Offline gumby_in_co

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 04:11:21 PM »
It seems football makes people crazy.

With all due respect, football is JV compared to hockey when it comes to this type of thing. Take everything bad about football, jack up the cost to about $5k per season, throw in agents (ahem) "Family Advisors", and a statistic that hockey has the highest percentage of D1 scholarships per participant and mix all that with a fighting culture.

When Jake was in 8th grade, HS hockey in CO was allowed to resume after a 10 year (not kidding) hiatus. Several of Jake's coaches have bragged about being part of the brawl that caused CHSAA to ban the sport. Parents, players and coaches.
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 04:16:50 PM »
Sadly, I'm convinced that youth football is BY FAR the most morally bankrupt youth sport in America.  I don't see a fraction this nonsense in Hoops, Soccer, and Rugby all put together.

Too many illiterate coaches and daddy ballers waaaaaaaay over invested and obsessed with their W/L records have their fragile ego's wrapped in this shit so tight.  And we tolerate it.  Worst, I even see mild mannered, well educated coaches trying to act this way because they think it's the norm.  Guys with college educations going on facebook and intentionally typing up posts rife with grammatical errors and poor spelling so they can appear the same as the knuckle heads they coach with or against.  It's a sad sad state of affairs.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 04:18:21 PM »
With all due respect, football is JV compared to hockey when it comes to this type of thing. Take everything bad about football, jack up the cost to about $5k per season, throw in agents (ahem) "Family Advisors", and a statistic that hockey has the highest percentage of D1 scholarships per participant and mix all that with a fighting culture.

When Jake was in 8th grade, HS hockey in CO was allowed to resume after a 10 year (not kidding) hiatus. Several of Jake's coaches have bragged about being part of the brawl that caused CHSAA to ban the sport. Parents, players and coaches.

Oh yes...I have heard your stories and thoroughly enjoyed the blood letting back in the day the Avs and Red Wings were hated rivals.  8)
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 04:20:43 PM »
Oh yes...I have heard your stories and thoroughly enjoyed the blood letting back in the day the Avs and Red Wings were hated rivals.  8)

Hell, I got ejected from my game last night and I'm usually a pretty calm guy. You talk about finding kids' "on switches". That A-hole last night sure found mine. ???
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 04:21:42 PM »
AAU basketball.
Well, I think the Ball's set a wonderful example. Quality guy there.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 04:28:56 PM »
Well, I think the Ball's set a wonderful example. Quality guy there.

I have been involved for 3 years and I'm nowhere near the big time tournaments and players but the amount of sketchy coaches, programs and overall happenings is alarming.  If it's happening at these lower levels you can only wonder what goes on when major D1 scholarships are involved.  In fact, you're starting to see just how far it can go in the news lately.

We've played teams where a coach shows up with a duffle bag full of jerseys and whoever shows up gets a jersey and plays.  Had parents yell to their daughters to punch our players in the face next time they get fouled.  Had one mom irate about a late whistle and I made the mistake of just saying "relax, they called the foul on us" and she proceeded to bark at me for several minutes about how she was calling her man and his crew to come get me after the game.  That's the crazy parent stuff.  I haven't even touched on the alleged age cheating or how some programs bring in their players or how too many programs are just money making businesses not focused at all on developing any players besides the select few that play for their "elite" teams.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 02:10:02 PM »


Home team is appealing, but according to Mahonz, it is a long shot. Also according to Mahonz, there were 4 such handshake line incidents in our league over the weekend and this has been one of the worst years on record for "shenanigans".



Update:

All teams are done for the season.
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2017, 02:48:20 PM »
Yikes.  Sucks for the kids.

I've seen coaches threaten refs and certainly seen them jaw at each other quite a bit but have luckily avoided anything like this.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 03:49:34 PM »
Yikes.  Sucks for the kids.

I've seen coaches threaten refs and certainly seen them jaw at each other quite a bit but have luckily avoided anything like this.

Yes it does. We are really close to one of the teams involved. Really a sad deal for those kids.

The Adults continue to ruin youth sports.  >:(
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2017, 04:08:24 PM »
AAU basketball.

Yeah, hoops can be sleazy, dirty, and competitive.  But you don't see the coaches acting like bafoons (as much).  Most of the AAU dirtiness is behind the scenes.  Youth football coaches like to wear their ignorance and skewed priorities like a badge of honor.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2017, 04:42:10 PM »
Yeah, hoops can be sleazy, dirty, and competitive.  But you don't see the coaches acting like bafoons (as much).  Most of the AAU dirtiness is behind the scenes.  Youth football coaches like to wear their ignorance and skewed priorities like a badge of honor.

Yeah, the coaches don't act like crazed idiots as much, but it's still happening a lot.  In basketball I find that it's more common for coaches to be really rude, crude and verbally abusive to their players as opposed to shouting useless instructions like "block somebody".

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2017, 05:27:20 PM »
Yikes.  Sucks for the kids.

I've seen coaches threaten refs and certainly seen them jaw at each other quite a bit but have luckily avoided anything like this.

That's a real shame
But part of that is on the refs- they should tolerate NOTHING in regards to language or threats
Here anything like that- they remove you from the game instantly with the probability you wont coach again that year- or ever

Just like when Orgs deal with coaches- you have to have a respect for the referees and near zero tolerance rule

Our narrative to our coaches:
Refs make mistakes
They will make mistakes every game- that is PART of the equation
Don't put yourself in a position that one or two calls are going to determine the game
Some are good refs, some aren't, just like anything else
Be respectful- while protecting your team
Do NOTHING to hurt your reputation in front of the kids and on the field and do nothing that would diminish our organisations reputation

Yes Ive been the "victim" of poor officiating, specific poor calls that have cost me games and championships- HOWEVER we also left plays on the field- that had we made them the calls wouldnt have mattered
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2017, 05:55:29 PM »
That's a real shame
But part of that is on the refs- they should tolerate NOTHING in regards to language or threats
Here anything like that- they remove you from the game instantly with the probability you wont coach again that year- or ever

Just like when Orgs deal with coaches- you have to have a respect for the referees and near zero tolerance rule

Our narrative to our coaches:
Refs make mistakes
They will make mistakes every game- that is PART of the equation
Don't put yourself in a position that one or two calls are going to determine the game
Some are good refs, some aren't, just like anything else
Be respectful- while protecting your team
Do NOTHING to hurt your reputation in front of the kids and on the field and do nothing that would diminish our organisations reputation

Yes Ive been the "victim" of poor officiating, specific poor calls that have cost me games and championships- HOWEVER we also left plays on the field- that had we made them the calls wouldnt have mattered

You really do have to train up your fans and your coaches. One of the teams involved, 6 or 7 of their players and one of their AC's joins us every Spring. This particular AC has become a very very good friend off the field. He comes to some of our Fall games with son in tow just to watch. He is amazed how well mannered our sideline is regardless. I have been to one of his games. Once was enough for me. The fans were a mess even though I hung out with the ones I knew.

The opponent they were playing last week? We played them once years ago. An unruly bunch for sure. Their coach was one more word away from ejection.

I just dont get it sometimes. Heck, I joke with the Officials if they are in the mood. Its just a game.
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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2017, 06:18:51 PM »
I joke with them too- it's supposed to be fun
Here they are HS refs who some have been in the league 10+ years
Most of them are very cool- not a fan of just one group

Our fans are awesome- partly because we set a real harsh standard
Secondly- peer pressure from other parents who have been around
They see how we work with people- the deal is the deal- hard standard that is enforced AND they see how we deal with refs- EVERYONE gets their cues from the coaches
If coaches act crazy, parents see that as a licence to do the same
We look to ourselves, not the refs when we dont get the results we wanted- we talk about that alot, only control what you can control
We give examples of ridiculous behaviour and spell our the consequences- anything here minuscule compared to others- no issues

We got 41 brand new rookie player sign ups at our open house event 2 weeks ago- with 130 kids this year- we can afford to be pretty strict  ;D

Over the long, long haul it should all even out- the calls that is
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: FNT - Colorado Style
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2017, 04:28:58 PM »
Update to the update:

I have some experience with a non profit organization expelling a member. We kicked a kid out for behavior a few years ago, following our discipline procedure which was documented in the bylaws. Colorado law states that "unless specified in the bylaws", members may not be expelled unless you follow Colorado's defined process. This includes written notice 15 days before the expulsion takes effect AND a hearing no later than 5 days prior to the expulsion.

None of this happened and nothing about expelling members is documented in the bylaws. They can suspend coaches, but there's nothing in there about suspending players.

I sent that information to my buddy. It's not too late for an emergency injunction and in my experience large non-profits (like our league) fold at the threat of a lawyer.

We'll see.
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