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Offline Mudbug

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Frustration after a great season
« on: November 21, 2018, 07:57:35 AM »
Our season ended this past weekend. This is my third year coaching with the organization, and I've improved my ability to get kids to want to try their best each year.

This is the inner city league in large (relatively) louisiana city. There are no minimum playing rules. I'm probably the only coach in the league that believes in letting all of the kids have a chance to earn playing time. A lot of coaches settle in on their favorite kids about a week after pads go on and ignore the rest.

It is common to hear a coach say something like maybe football isn't for you, you won't make it, etc etc... just beating these kids down unless they are an early blooming manchild.

I'm different... I get all of the kids to buy in, and frankly I'm damn good at it. We won the championship again and the defense (which I run) did not give up a point all season. I'm pretty sure that has never been done before in this league......

So I tell the president after the season that I would like to be able to take a group of the kids next year who would have been cut and coach them as a secondary team.... we are overflowing with kids now as a ton of people around the city want to taste this success....

They tell me no, and actually pack it up and move along... why? Because I sub too many kids.... I subbed too much in the championship..... wait are you serious?
You're mad that I took a scrub and make him serviceable and let him play a part in our shutout championship??
So now I want to go to the rival organization but maybe I'm being petty.....

They think I was a bad coach blessed with great talent....I think I taught the kids how to go hard....

Frustrating!!!

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 08:37:12 AM »
sounds like a lot of red flags in that org.....what city you in? you can PM me if you want

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 09:32:02 AM »
Wow.  I can't even imagine what could be going through an administrators head to fire a coach that showed that type of success with players.  Even if you didn't end up winning a championship.  The fact that you also won a championship, well that is mindboggling.  Yeah, good luck with your new org, and being petty might be going and trying to convince their kids to come play at the new org while insulting your old program.  Merely going to the competitor, well, they almost made that decision for you.

But do know this.  If you go to the rival and beat them and maybe win a championship, you won't be proving anything to them.  They will still just believe you all of a sudden got good talent over there too, even if they never had better talent.
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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 09:47:47 AM »
There are no minimum playing rules. I'm probably the only coach in the league that believes in letting all of the kids have a chance to earn playing time. A lot of coaches settle in on their favorite kids about a week after pads go on and ignore the rest.

--Which is why I'm in favor of MPR rules.  When I coached Middle School ball, I saw a lot of kids getting ignored.  Even in games that we were up big, the header refused to put them in.  Why?  Because "they hadn't been coached."  Why hadn't they been coached?  Because he didn't have to play them.

It is common to hear a coach say something like maybe football isn't for you, you won't make it, etc etc..

--That's a common ploy used by coaches to discourage kids.  It's shameful.  It's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what an adult and a coach should should doing with a child.

They tell me no, and actually pack it up and move along... why? Because I sub too many kids.... I subbed too much in the championship.

--I'm not sure I understand this.  I don't see what the problem is, or why subbing would bother them. If they're singularly about winning, and you won, then what's the issue?

They think I was a bad coach blessed with great talent.

--That's the common refrain from the others who don't win.  It's the common excuse of the loser-coach.

So now I want to go to the rival organization but maybe I'm being petty.

--Explain to me the "petty" part. 

Frustrating!

--Doesn't have to be.  Move on.  I would.  There's other kids that would benefit from what you offer.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 09:50:29 AM »
If you go to the rival and beat them and maybe win a championship, you won't be proving anything to them.  They will still just believe you all of a sudden got good talent over there too, even if they never had better talent.

This ^ This ^ This ^

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 10:02:51 AM »
They tell me no, and actually pack it up and move along... why? Because I sub too many kids.... I subbed too much in the championship.

--I'm not sure I understand this.  I don't see what the problem is, or why subbing would bother them. If they're singularly about winning, and you won, then what's the issue?

DP, i'm sure there are parents like this everywhere but i've ran across quite a few down here that just aren't satisfied if you don't win every game 50-0 with starters getting just the right amount of touches (not too many, not too few). Im sure that the feedback from the parent/agents leads to this from the org administration. SO MANY parents here think that their 6-10 y.o. is going to get a scholarship offer (usually as a QB) and eventually play on sundays. its really head scratching when you hear some of the "problems"   

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 10:05:58 AM »
DP, i'm sure there are parents like this everywhere but i've ran across quite a few down here that just aren't satisfied if you don't win every game 50-0 with starters getting just the right amount of touches (not too many, not too few). Im sure that the feedback from the parent/agents leads to this from the org administration. SO MANY parents here think that their 6-10 y.o. is going to get a scholarship offer (usually as a QB) and eventually play on sundays. its really head scratching when you hear some of the "problems"

I'm sure you're right.  When we played our Hurricane Relief game, we were up big and I recall one of our parents yelling to "put the good players back in."  It was shameful and embarrassing.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 10:12:09 AM »
Bayoubengal... I think our handles give the location away. I'm I'm baton rouge.

DP, I told them I had about 20 kids playing at a championship level as we were practicing during the playoffs.

The pressure was on me to only play starters all game.....  I tell them I've got other kids who are being excluded on offense who deserve to play......they are like no way go for the shutout....as if that's not a goal we have anyway! The kids have a job to do and if I put you on the field I have confidence that you will do your job.

The craziest part is these kids in question made huge tackles for loss in the game! They did their job! Its nuts....

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 10:17:19 AM »
The pressure was on me to only play starters all game.....  I tell them I've got other kids who are being excluded on offense who deserve to play......they are like no way go for the shutout....as if that's not a goal we have anyway! The kids have a job to do and if I put you on the field I have confidence that you will do your job.

The craziest part is these kids in question made huge tackles for loss in the game! They did their job! Its nuts.

You're right, that is nuts.  So you can stay and try to change the culture, or move on and coach someplace else.  The only way kids win, is that you continue to coach.  Regardless of where.  But it is possible to change culture.  When I was in my old youth org, they had little use or appreciation for our CAL Program, until the parents starting making a big deal about it.  Then all of a sudden, it started to be implemented in the organization as "the way we do things."  ::)

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 03:06:48 PM »
When I was in my old youth org, they had little use or appreciation for our CAL Program, until the parents starting making a big deal about it.  Then all of a sudden, it started to be implemented in the organization as "the way we do things."

I was hoping for this tactic.  Thinking if we could present enough of the big trophies in front of the rest of the org at our end of season banquet, the parents would be more vocal about it.  They got attention from other players, but the parents hadn't at this point.  I even had a board member act surprised, ask oh what are those when I brought them into the banquet hall.  This is the third year I've done this and their kid was on my team last season. LOL  I was happy to hear that our flag coach thought it was a great idea and might try to do something similar next year.   I really hope that the parents care enough to complain about it when it isn't a point of emphasis next season.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 09:41:40 PM »
I read your original post, figured there's got to be something more to this, so I scrolled down...
DP, I told them I had about 20 kids playing at a championship level as we were practicing during the playoffs.

The pressure was on me to only play starters all game.
I'm trying to figure out this mishigoss.  What are they thinking -- that the experience needs to be concentrated on the smaller number of players who they expect to be stars in the future?

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 10:04:47 PM »
Bob... yes... they think I'm a goofball coach with poor time management. How dare I coach all 35 kids on roster as opposed to running plays on air with my starters all practice like they do and leaving 15 kids rotting


My frustration leads to hyperbole... they do more than run plays on air but they ignore kids who aren't naturally aggressive... they don't trust that kids change... I actually told them they coach scared.... scared to let anyone but their best player get practice reps, like if they can take him from 100 to 101 wow they are so great.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2018, 03:48:05 PM »
Bob... yes... they think I'm a goofball coach with poor time management. How dare I coach all 35 kids on roster as opposed to running plays on air with my starters all practice like they do and leaving 15 kids rotting


My frustration leads to hyperbole... they do more than run plays on air but they ignore kids who aren't naturally aggressive... they don't trust that kids change... I actually told them they coach scared.... scared to let anyone but their best player get practice reps, like if they can take him from 100 to 101 wow they are so great.
I doubt they think you're a goofball.  They'd have to be too wilfully blind to the facts for that.  I think they're bothered that you've shown them up, & fear you'll do it again, maybe worse.  They don't know how to coach, but if you're around the organiz'n too long, they'll have to do a lot of work to learn how to coach the scrubs, just because it'll become the expected thing, given your success.  They're just good enough to get the 100 to 101, not good enough to get the 50 to 75, & doing that means they'd really have to concentrate on what they're doing rather than just space out during practice & let the drills roll on w little guidance.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2018, 04:05:36 PM »
Mudbug, I applaud you for coaching all of the kids.  I wish all coaches had the same coaching philosophy.  Sadly, there are more asshole coaches than there are coaches like you.   I have seen the same mentality at the high school level, it is beyond frustrating.  What you are experiencing is not uncommon.  Good luck to you, hopefully you find yourself in a better situation next season.

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Re: Frustration after a great season
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2018, 10:10:31 AM »
I'm different... I get all of the kids to buy in, and frankly I'm damn good at it. We won the championship again and the defense (which I run) did not give up a point all season. I'm pretty sure that has never been done before in this league......

So I tell the president after the season that I would like to be able to take a group of the kids next year who would have been cut and coach them as a secondary team.... we are overflowing with kids now as a ton of people around the city want to taste this success....

They tell me no, and actually pack it up and move along... why? Because I sub too many kids.... I subbed too much in the championship..... wait are you serious?
You're mad that I took a scrub and make him serviceable and let him play a part in our shutout championship??
So now I want to go to the rival organization but maybe I'm being petty.....

They think I was a bad coach blessed with great talent....I think I taught the kids how to go hard....

Frustrating!!!

This is disgusting, but there's clearly a bad culture in that org.  They probably think that by being "tough" and discouraging kids from playing, they're somehow doing them a favor.

I'm guessing the "you sub too many kids" thing was probably parents of "studs" (or just one stud) complaining that their kids weren't getting all the playing time and getting to show off.  I guess maybe they think they need all the reps to "develop" for the next level, which is BS.  Youth ball should be about making sure all kids have fun and grow as athletes and kids.  It sounds like you did an excellent job and they were too stupid to appreciate it.

What those morons probably don't realize is that just because a kid matures early does not mean that he's going to be a great player later in life.  At the HS level, I see kids who are nothing special in MS or their freshman year hit the weights hard and go through a growth spurt to grow into college athletes.  Meanwhile, "studs" who dominated the youth and MS teams because they were bigger and stronger than their peers never amount to anything.  No HS coach worth his salt really cares what kids did.

You're better off getting out of there.  Good riddance to that org.  I just feel bad for the kids who are going there and don't get to play.