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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2015, 12:42:33 AM »
Been putting a lot of thought into this recently. Not on whether or not to script, but exactly how to create the script. I'm thinking it's more important to me that I have a series of plays that are preselected versus what we expect the defense to do. It is less important to me what order the plays get run in, although there are exceptions (not going to run Naked before I run Zone, for instance).

With that in mind, what does everyone think about a flexible script? The idea would be here are 15 plays we are definitely running before we run anything else. We put those plays in buckets appropriate for down and distance (which is consistent with how we create our overall call sheet). So, it might look like here are four 1st and ten plays in order, here are three 2nd and short plays in order, here are three third and long plays in order, etc. I've never done things this way before. Am I overthinking this or making it more complicated than it needs to be?

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For me...Scripting Plays is a bit of a head scratch'r.

If you have 15 plays that you must run before anything else...I'd be thinking.....do I have too many plays? Certainly age dependent and IMHO an NFL thing only.

If you run IZ...OZ as a read option...a trap...2-3 Concepts while using 3 formations....well that's about 15 plays and an entire playbook. So....whats left?






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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2015, 07:19:40 AM »
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For me...Scripting Plays is a bit of a head scratch'r.

If you have 15 plays that you must run before anything else...I'd be thinking.....do I have too many plays? Certainly age dependent and IMHO an NFL thing only.

If you run IZ...OZ as a read option...a trap...2-3 Concepts while using 3 formations....well that's about 15 plays and an entire playbook. So....whats left?

It's not necessarily 15 different plays. Our base playbook is 10 plays. Zone might be in there three different times but from several combinations of formations and motion. For instance, we are very interested in what the Will backer does when we go 3x1 versus what he does when we go 2x2. We'll be trying to answer that question during the script. So, the script is for testing the assumptions we made about what the defense will do this week.
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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 08:49:51 AM »
MPRs are something I don't care for (you have no say there)unless the kid is getting quality instruction, playing a good position for him and not simply being split out where "they can't hurt the team" or taking the runt of the litter and making him an A gap crawler.  Every year I havr coached the JV players has been a blast.  My rule has always been that each player gets at least a quarter at their position.  You have never seen a happier looking group of kids.  And the kicker is that they win.  The last season I coached the JVs they went 7-2.  We lost the last game of the season, throwing a pick inside the 15.  The other game they lost I could not make it as my varsity duties come first.  The kids were pissed as a lot never saw the field.

Good piece coach.  Just wanted to mention the scripting issues.  And as far as my MPR issues, well it is just something I do not like.
They win because you are forced to coach them up because you actually give them a good amount pf playing time. I always preach that you are only as good as your mprs(if you have that rule of course). Turn them into contributors.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 09:20:40 AM »
To give credit where it's due, I think they also win because Jeff knows wtf he's doing. He's a good coach who understands how to win football games vs. trying to look pretty or get style points out there.

I think we need to do better coaching up our MPR's - they get the same coaching everyone else does, but they need more. Maybe this year - we have two pretty good AC's on our staff where we usually only have one, might be able to have one spend a little extra time with some kids.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 12:13:06 PM »
To give credit where it's due, I think they also win because Jeff knows wtf he's doing. He's a good coach who understands how to win football games vs. trying to look pretty or get style points out there.

I think we need to do better coaching up our MPR's - they get the same coaching everyone else does, but they need more. Maybe this year - we have two pretty good AC's on our staff where we usually only have one, might be able to have one spend a little extra time with some kids.
Oh, I hope I didn't come off like I was knocking him. Only coaches who know what they are doing bother coaching up the kids who aren't starters. Only good coaches understand the importance of that aspect of the team.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2015, 04:14:52 PM »
That isn't how you came off at all.  I was just adding to your thoughts.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2015, 09:00:03 AM »
Doug this is a fantastic post. Getting printed and put into my coaching book.
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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 11:35:42 PM »
MPRs are something I don't care for (you have no say there)unless the kid is getting quality instruction, playing a good position for him and not simply being split out where "they can't hurt the team" or taking the runt of the litter and making him an A gap crawler.  Every year I havr coached the JV players has been a blast.  My rule has always been that each player gets at least a quarter at their position.  You have never seen a happier looking group of kids.  And the kicker is that they win.  The last season I coached the JVs they went 7-2.  We lost the last game of the season, throwing a pick inside the 15.  The other game they lost I could not make it as my varsity duties come first.  The kids were pissed as a lot never saw the field.

Good piece coach.  Just wanted to mention the scripting issues.  And as far as my MPR issues, well it is just something I do not like.
I haven't looked at this thread in a 2 or 3 months - I didn't realize anyone was still posting comments to it.  Anyway, I agree with your sentiments and I'm surprised that I didn't mention that those reading offenses are not as good of candidates for scripting - there still are some benefits to scripting, but anything more than 5 plays (10 at the absolute most) would become counter-productive.  I wholeheartedly agree with you about the whole MPR - it just pisses me off when I see a team line up a kid at wideout 30 yards from the ball and just tell him to not move.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2016, 03:38:10 PM »
I loved the OP the first time I read it.  When it popped up again today, I read it again.  Can you double like a post? :)

Thanks CoachDoug!

BTW, has anyone done something similar for defensive game planning or game-day coaching?  I'm eager to "like" another post.

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I'd be interested in a defensive version of this as well.

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Re: Game Day Coaching
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2016, 10:43:09 PM »
I'd be interested in a defensive version of this as well.
When I wrote this, I wasn't really trying to do an "Offensive" version of it, I've just been focused on offense for most of the past 10 years or so, so I guess I naturally approached it from that viewpoint.  In reality, 7 of the 10 points apply pretty equally to both offense and defense (the only offense-specific topics were Script the first 10-20 Plays, Prepare a 2-Minute Offense and Prepare a 4-Minute Offense).  I know I wrote most of them from an offensive point of view, but they all really apply to both.  In any event, I would love to see this from the point of view of a DC as well - it's been a awhile since my head has been fully on the defensive side of the ball, so I'd like to hear from someone who's currently in that space.  Off the top of my head, I would probably focus on scouting - knowing what your opponent does, knowing any tells they have, having coaches with specific duties on game day - looking for specific subbing patterns that may give something away, or simply notifying the DC when the offense subs in MMPs, etc.