Consider helping MosleyTheCat keep the web hosting hamsters fed and happy. Please Donate.

Author Topic: Seen this on a Job Opening Board  (Read 822 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Spyder89

  • Copper
  • Posts: 173
  • Total likes: 66
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 46
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Head Coach
Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« on: January 10, 2019, 10:17:45 AM »
I seen this posting on a job opening board for HS football.  First part of the second sentence made me laugh pretty hard...especially when I looked at the school's record and game results last year.  Figured some of you guys would get a kick out of this like I did.

John I Leonard (West Palm Beach, FL): John I Leonard football in West Palm Beach is currently looking for a varsity secondary coach. Ideal candidate will have played DB in college and have varsity or college experience coaching the position. You will be required to coach JV and Varsity as well as fulfill various others duties which include weekend film prep and meetings. There are a few on campus jobs that can be attached to the position for the right candidate. If interested and you meet the qualifications, please email XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
- Ray

Offline Dimson

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7431
  • Total likes: 474
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: Killer Bee
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Coordinator
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 10:57:58 AM »
What does playing in college have to do with one's coaching abilities? A guy I went to High School with just coached on the Florida 8A state championship team and he didn't play in high school, much less college.

Offline CoachCalande

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 8002
  • Total likes: 728
  • Its never been "My bad"
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: 46
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 11:01:31 AM »
Meh, reread it...” ideal” = played AND COACHED

I see nothing wrong with it....good luck in finding exp college coach looking for HS position
MOJO    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcRmKnRcsA

Go to WWW.COACHCALANDE.COM  for Double Wing DVDs, Playbook, Drills Manuals, Practice footage and emagazines. Ask me about our new 38 special dvds!

Offline blockandtackle

  • Bronze
  • Posts: 786
  • Total likes: 478
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 11:08:13 AM »
Meh, reread it...” ideal” = played AND COACHED

I see nothing wrong with it....good luck in finding exp college coach looking for HS position

It happens more often than you might think... if the HS position includes a teaching job.  Teacher pay is crap for the work, but making $40k with benefits is still a heck of a lot better than $25k a year at a small college with no benefits.  They usually don't stay at the HS level too long unless they become a coordinator or HC, though.

Offline blockandtackle

  • Bronze
  • Posts: 786
  • Total likes: 478
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 11:22:54 AM »
What does playing in college have to do with one's coaching abilities? A guy I went to High School with just coached on the Florida 8A state championship team and he didn't play in high school, much less college.

I'm not shocked.  There are a lot of people who think that college experience is necessary to be a coach and think that the better the player, then the better he'll coach.

I personally didn't coach for over a decade after graduating HS because I was always told you had to play college football to do it.  All my coaches growing up, who weren't very good honestly, had played together at Carson-Newman.  I've noticed that a lot of ADs and even HCs don't respect candidates who didn't play at that level.  I know that it's cost me some jobs.

It's still difficult in my immediate area to land a HS varsity HC or coordinator position without college playing experience on your resume, even if you've been out of school for 20 years and have a lot of experience as a coach.  A lot of guys just lie about "redshirting" for a year in college and having to quit due to a mysterious injury.

Meanwhile, if you played in college and spend a year as a GA mixing the Gatorade, you move to the front of the line for any HS Head Coach positions.

A couple of years ago, a school near me hired a recently retired NFL player off the street with zero coaching experience.  Even after he was fired halfway through the season for being crazy and caused a royal $h!tstorm of epic proportions that was so crazy it nearly got a completely unrelated school in trouble with our state association, groups of parents in our area at multiple schools were lobbying to have their HS coaches fired so they could hand the programs over to him.   The stories I've heard about what that dude did in 4 months on the job were unreal.

Offline CoachDP

  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 18182
  • Total likes: 4304
  • "Want to Get Better Players? Be A Better Coach."
    • Coach Dave Potter
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 11:37:28 AM »
Meh, reread it...” ideal” = played AND COACHED

I see nothing wrong with it....good luck in finding exp college coach looking for HS position

Same here.  I see these listings all the time.  An "ideal" candidate probably will have played and coached college football.  They would certainly have a leg up on not only understanding recruiting and camping, but also the NCAA Eligibility Portal.  Had I read that listing on the job site, I would have thought nothing of it.  It's not only common, it's what lots of high schools are looking for (regardless of record).

--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go." #BattleReady newhope

Offline Spyder89

  • Copper
  • Posts: 173
  • Total likes: 66
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 46
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 11:46:36 AM »
I understand that this is what a lot of places are looking for, it's just a bit asinine to me.  Especially since they specify that they should have played DB to coach DBs.

I know it says "IDEAL" but I still think it's funny.

Offline Dimson

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7431
  • Total likes: 474
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: Killer Bee
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Coordinator
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 12:00:46 PM »
I'm not shocked.  There are a lot of people who think that college experience is necessary to be a coach and think that the better the player, then the better he'll coach.

I personally didn't coach for over a decade after graduating HS because I was always told you had to play college football to do it.  All my coaches growing up, who weren't very good honestly, had played together at Carson-Newman.  I've noticed that a lot of ADs and even HCs don't respect candidates who didn't play at that level.  I know that it's cost me some jobs.

It's still difficult in my immediate area to land a HS varsity HC or coordinator position without college playing experience on your resume, even if you've been out of school for 20 years and have a lot of experience as a coach.  A lot of guys just lie about "redshirting" for a year in college and having to quit due to a mysterious injury.

Meanwhile, if you played in college and spend a year as a GA mixing the Gatorade, you move to the front of the line for any HS Head Coach positions.

A couple of years ago, a school near me hired a recently retired NFL player off the street with zero coaching experience.  Even after he was fired halfway through the season for being crazy and caused a royal $h!tstorm of epic proportions that was so crazy it nearly got a completely unrelated school in trouble with our state association, groups of parents in our area at multiple schools were lobbying to have their HS coaches fired so they could hand the programs over to him.   The stories I've heard about what that dude did in 4 months on the job were unreal.
NFL players here have done really well and some not so well. Pat Surtain won a State title 2 seasons ago(with his son as the star player) and made it to the Regional Finals this year. Mark Brunell has done a decent job at Episcopal, but I don't ever see them being better than just ok. As of 2104 there were 36 former NFL players who were HCs in the state of Florida.

Offline Wing-n-It

  • Administrator
  • Gold
  • Posts: 4707
  • Total likes: 533
  • Coaching: 8 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: DC Wing T
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2019, 12:03:02 PM »
I though the DBs thing was kinda silly till I thought about it and with all the spread and passing that happens in HS it makes sense.

I am happy My son was taught by a college QB (Shawn Bell Baylor) he not only knew offense but he has connections as an old college player where the people he knows can get his player looks by colleges.

The list of phone numbers to the "who's who" of college coaches in his phone was awe inspiring.

I know its not the end all and there are exceptions, Joe comes to mind, but having a coach who is tied to college is beneficial, and I guess "Ideal"    8)
Robert

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge

Offline Dimson

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7431
  • Total likes: 474
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: Killer Bee
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Coordinator
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 12:09:32 PM »
I though the DBs thing was kinda silly till I thought about it and with all the spread and passing that happens in HS it makes sense.

I am happy My son was taught by a college QB (Shawn Bell Baylor) he not only knew offense but he has connections as an old college player where the people he knows can get his player looks by colleges.

The list of phone numbers to the "who's who" of college coaches in his phone was awe inspiring.

I know its not the end all and there are exceptions, Joe comes to mind, but having a coach who is tied to college is beneficial, and I guess "Ideal"    8)
What if he is a bad coach but has "connections"? Do you still hire him?

Offline Dusty Ol Fart

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7466
  • Total likes: 849
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Retired
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2019, 12:24:51 PM »
What if he is a bad coach but has "connections"? Do you still hire him?

A lot of "Coaches" get quadruple chances.  Hell Notre Dame hired and then, egg on face, fired a guy who lied on his application not that long ago.

Happens more than you think.
Not MPP... ONE TASK!  Teach them!  :)

Offline CoachDP

  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 18182
  • Total likes: 4304
  • "Want to Get Better Players? Be A Better Coach."
    • Coach Dave Potter
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2019, 12:28:12 PM »
What if he is a bad coach but has "connections"? Do you still hire him?

A lot of schools will.  Absolutely.

--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go." #BattleReady newhope

Offline CoachDP

  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 18182
  • Total likes: 4304
  • "Want to Get Better Players? Be A Better Coach."
    • Coach Dave Potter
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Double Wing
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 12:33:21 PM »
It happens more often than you might think.

Not only does it happen a lot, it's usually the first thing that's said by the school (or the header) when the hire/announcement is made ("He played in the NFL!" "He coached wideouts at National State University!"  "He coached and played in college!") etc.

--Dave
"The Greater the Teacher, the More Powerful the Player."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go." #BattleReady newhope

Offline Wing-n-It

  • Administrator
  • Gold
  • Posts: 4707
  • Total likes: 533
  • Coaching: 8 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: DC Wing T
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2019, 01:38:46 PM »
What if he is a bad coach but has "connections"? Do you still hire him?

I'm not doing the hiring

I'm just stating that they look less for wins and losses on the field
Robert

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge

Offline blockandtackle

  • Bronze
  • Posts: 786
  • Total likes: 478
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2019, 02:31:52 PM »
I understand that this is what a lot of places are looking for, it's just a bit asinine to me.  Especially since they specify that they should have played DB to coach DBs.

I know it says "IDEAL" but I still think it's funny.

Yeah, but you know that parents and kids look at that like "You didn't play this position?  Then you don't know anything about it!" as well as the inverse: "You were a DB in college!  You must know everything about playing DB!"

The single worst coach I've ever worked with was a college LB, who thought he knew everything about football because he played 3 years of NAIA ball and then worked as an assistant there (basically painting the field and spotting guys in the weight room) for a year after he quit due to injury.  Dude literally told me he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already.  He was a DC who never held a team under 50 ppg in his 1 and only year of coaching, but was appointed to HC his 2nd year because of his playing experience.

The single worst OL coach I've ever worked with played G at a small college in the late 70s.  He said that technique didn't matter and his idea of a pass protection scheme was "just pass block somebody!"  He also thought every single offensive player on a varsity HS OL only needed to know the same blocking rule for every single run play.  The worst QB coach I've ever worked with was an alum of that school who'd played QB there in the early 90s on some good teams, so everyone assumed he must know everything about playing QB, but he literally just took the team's best athlete and told him who to hand the ball to or who to throw to and that was about it.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 02:34:14 PM by blockandtackle »