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Stress at TAMUC
« on: December 10, 2018, 10:07:07 AM »
Well, the head coach at TAMUC, Colby Carthel,  got a new job, down the road at SFA...Division 1 FCS, don't blame him at all...after taking over a 2 - 9  program, he made the post season every one of the 6 years he was at TAMUC, 3 conference titles, one national title...he is taking the OC, DC, QBs coach, and Dline coach with him...my son is a DT...he was devastated when he first got the news...he wanted to transfer right away...except...because he plays football, the one time transfer exception does not apply to him, so he would have to sit a year while burning a season of eligibility while doing it...

TAMUC hired their new head coach, David Bailiff, former head coach of the Rice Owls...He has coached at Texas State, TCU, Texas State again, and Rice, as a head coach his record is 78-95....not great, but when you consider he coached 10 years as the header at Rice, who has a 15% admission rate, probably not too terrible...he won the conference twice with Rice, and went to 4 bowl games with them, winning 3 of them. While the head guy at Texas State, he took the team to the FCS semi-final game, loosing in OT...

As I mentioned, the boy was devestated...but me and a few other folks were able to talk him down, suggesting he give the new guy a chance...his former position coach suggested that he was a heck of a football player, and the new guy was going to love him...he decided to go to spring ball with the new guys and see what he thinks...they are meeting the new coach this evening...

What I am hearing through the grapevine...lots of the boys are trying to transfer out, and TAMUC is denying the transfer requests...the NCAA system is seriously screwed up...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2018, 11:07:50 AM »
This is why I would never choose my school based solely on a coach. Because you never know when they might not be there anymore.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 11:19:15 AM »
This is why I would never choose my school based solely on a coach. Because you never know when they might not be there anymore.

Ah...easier said than done...pretend you are 17 or 18 and these coaches call you and text you and tell you how much they want to coach you, etc...until they send math professors down to recruit the kids, they are committing to the coaches...intellectually, yes, you are committing to the institution...but emotionally, you are committing to the guy who wants you...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 11:23:08 AM »
Ah...easier said than done...pretend you are 17 or 18 and these coaches call you and text you and tell you how much they want to coach you, etc...until they send math professors down to recruit the kids, they are committing to the coaches...intellectually, yes, you are committing to the institution...but emotionally, you are committing to the guy who wants you...
I don't disagree. This is 35 year old me talking. 18 year old me would have different motivations, lol. Hopefully in your case, the new HC and his staff can win the players over.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 11:40:09 AM »
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As far as I know its easy to transfer from D2 or D3 to D1 without penalty
D1 to D1 not so easy

That being said I would stick with the program he's in.

SFA is a mess and they will be for a while.

Playing time will be very limited for him. They will have sooooo many D1 type athletes that will transfer in as the coach will be like a kid at Christmas with multiple scholarships to hand out.

D1 can be nice but its a bad business unless youre transferring in from another D1

call me or I can call you if you wanna talk about some of the mistakes Tyler made and the way it is at SFA as their athletic director is still there.

I say stay where he's at and shine. He'll miss his friends if he leaves. Everything he's built to this point will have to start over in a bigger pond

D1 sounds nice for about 20 players of a 90 man roster
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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2018, 12:19:43 PM »
Actually Robert, He called the NCAA about transferring...its a 4 year to 4 year transfer rule...and D2 still has the requirement of "permission to contact" followed by the permission to transfer...followed by sitting for 2 semesters, unless his new school can get him a waiver from the NCAA...

Ivey was the guy who hired Carthel at TAMUC, they have history, which is why he got hired at SFA...and Carthel said in his introductory press conference...we will follow the same blueprint here we did in Commerce, it works, we know what we are doing...

What he did at TAMUC when he took over that dumpster fire...he got the team together and said, who wants to play football...of course all of them said yes...he then did a piss test on all of the players...those that passed got to stay...then he took those that were left, and just beat the hell out of them...when he was done, his team had 35 kids on it (not counting who he managed to sign and get transfered in from JUCO or other 4 year programs)...he recruited and got his transfers and took the team to the post season his first year there...I expect he will do the same thing at SFA, gut the thing, get his guys in and go from there, granted probably a bit of a bigger challenge going from D2 to D1 FCS....

All of that said, between me and his former Dline coach (who was the guy who got my son to committ and eventually sign at TAMUC), we have convinced him to stay there at least through the spring semester, give the new guy a chance, see what he thinks of him and vice-a-versa, see what they do with his scholly, and then make an informed decision...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2018, 01:39:23 PM »
Well even if they don't sign a transfer its a year sitting out? right

It'de be great if he can get full ride. they can give partial schollys and get more players scholarships.

Tyler was being recruited by SHSU just before the coaches left there to go to Georgia southern. That's how he got his scholarship to GS. Then the coaches within a year or so up and left for Tulane. It would have been crappy had he taken the offer to GS.

I hated the ups and downs of recruiting and the crap that came afterwards.

I hope for your families best decision. Not a day goes by Tyler doesn't think about what if he would've taken the offer at some of the schools. Or stayed at SFA as a tight end

 
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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2018, 02:38:45 PM »
Yeah, he sits, so he can "acclimate to his new school"...which is crap, although the NCAA may change that rule this spring...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2018, 02:40:47 PM »
Yeah, he sits, so he can "acclimate to his new school"...which is crap, although the NCAA may change that rule this spring...
Let's be honest. It is a punishment for transferring to a new school. In place to discourage transfers. But new coaches don't have to sit a season. Such a broken system.

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Re: Stress at TAMUC
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2018, 03:13:27 PM »
Absolutely broken...not a single spectator comes to watch coach coach...they come to watch the players play...just sayin...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.