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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2018, 11:53:51 AM »
I usually can tell the teams thar dont film or dont have film cuz we win pretty big.

I can usually tell which youth teams don't have film, too.  But not because I don't see their man on top of the press box.  But because of how poorly they are coached.  Their lack of film is just one more indicator that they refuse to dot I's and cross T's for their team.  If they simply don't take it as seriously (and not filming is an indicator), then they're going to get beat by the team that drills better, practices harder and is coached better.  They'll get beaten by the team that takes it more seriously; not simply because they didn't have film.

We've won games where we didn't have film.  We've lost games where we've had film.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2018, 01:38:52 PM »
Tiger, how many games do you play in a season?
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2018, 02:10:54 PM »
Dp...just saying its a part of the game and thats why HS on up it is exchanged.

We play 8-9 games a yr depending on if you get a bye. We had a bye this year so only playing 8.
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2018, 02:23:50 PM »
Our entire league has HUDL. Every game(except 6U flag) is filmed and you can view every single game if you want and are granted access by your President or whoever is in charge of sharing film for your teams. It is a great tool and I feel it makes us coaches better prepared and it leads to a better over all product on the field in most cases.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2018, 02:44:55 PM »
Our entire league has HUDL. Every game(except 6U flag) is filmed and you can view every single game if you want and are granted access by your President or whoever is in charge of sharing film for your teams. It is a great tool and I feel it makes us coaches better prepared and it leads to a better over all product on the field in most cases.

See this is what I mentioned that should be done in our league. I know I've seen someone post a league doing this. How much does it cost per club to do this?
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2018, 02:52:34 PM »
See this is what I mentioned that should be done in our league. I know I've seen someone post a league doing this. How much does it cost per club to do this?
I am not sure as I am not a board member. I can ask and hopefully I will find out for you. Keep in mind we pay a price for HUDL and someone to film each game as well.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2018, 04:17:07 PM »
I am not sure as I am not a board member. I can ask and hopefully I will find out for you. Keep in mind we pay a price for HUDL and someone to film each game as well.

Yeah figured there was price for Hudl. Y'all are moot responsible for uploading film yourself? So like essay club had someone film home games and upload them. Also howbig is your league?
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2018, 05:05:18 PM »
I remember when I was one of maybe 2 coaches in my conference that had hudl. That was a great time for us. Probably an even bigger advantage than what you’re describing now. At the same time we had a huge talent gap to overcome.
Now i’d guess 85% of coaches have it in my conference. Even at the price increase.
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2018, 08:39:12 AM »
Nick picking?  lol  Just responding to your claims.  In high school, it's a mandatory exchange.  In youth, it isn't (in most places).  You asked for feedback and if you feel that coaches who don't work as hard or find video as important should still be able to get something they didn't work or pay for, then so be it.  There's lots of coaches out there who moan about what they don't have, and complain about what others do have.  So you have plenty of company.  I'm just not one of them.  :)

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Nickpicking  :P your remark Dave.. but it is not mandatory in high school.   BUT...they will simply get it somewhere else.   It is a gentleman's agreement.  Give me your last two for my last two films.   Although you said it was mandatory when you coached high school right?  Must be your conference, cause us hillbillies on the western part of the state are not required.
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2018, 08:45:39 AM »
Over the last few yrs previous to this one there has always been a group that you could pay like $80 a game to go film an opponent or whatever film you need.

This year this group and another started a program kind of like Hudl. But they put all the film they get on there but charges teams $700 for their service. So a team that pays the $700 can have every game of every team they play.

We play 8-9 games a yr depending on if you get a bye. We had a bye this year so only playing 8.

Just looking at the economics of the deal, if you were to simply buy your eight games, you'd pay $640. For an additional $60, you get all games. That actually seems like a better deal.
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2018, 08:46:48 AM »
I remember when I was one of maybe 2 coaches in my conference that had hudl. That was a great time for us. Probably an even bigger advantage than what you’re describing now. At the same time we had a huge talent gap to overcome.
Now i’d guess 85% of coaches have it in my conference. Even at the price increase.

This is where I would agree... when I was one of a very few uploading film and breaking it down.  Big big advantage. Now our whole league has HUDL.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2018, 09:18:52 AM »
Nickpicking  :P your remark Dave.. but it is not mandatory in high school.   BUT...they will simply get it somewhere else.   It is a gentleman's agreement.  Give me your last two for my last two films.   Although you said it was mandatory when you coached high school right?  Must be your conference, cause us hillbillies on the western part of the state are not required.

Perhaps it’s not mandatory per the NCHSAA but for our conference it used to be “last two games” and then we received an email stating that it would only be the “previous week’s, or last game played” that must be exchanged.  JV exchange was only required when I was coaching at CHS, but you could do a voluntary swap since then.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2018, 01:03:13 PM »
Just looking at the economics of the deal, if you were to simply buy your eight games, you'd pay $640. For an additional $60, you get all games. That actually seems like a better deal.

Oh I know it's a better deal to pay the $700. Deal is great if you can afford it.
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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2018, 04:54:22 PM »
Oh I know it's a better deal to pay the $700. Deal is great if you can afford it.

Just trying to get my head around the math. If you had 20 kids on the team and decided to spread the cost around, that’s an extra $35 per player. Doesn’t seem like a lot to me, but I had 2 kids who grew up playing hockey. I get that for some families, $35 would be a deal breaker. Fundraising? How hard is it to raise $700? The hockey teams used to sell programs at the Avs games and would usually clear $1000. I see a lot of teams/clubs selling breakfast burritos, drinks, etc at games. Would that clear $700 over a season? Something like this could be turned into a positive opportunity to teach the players ownership of their team. I might even come up with “We need film. We either find the money together to buy the service, or ‘scout film duty’ becomes another task along with chain crew/play counter.”

This is why I took exception to your premise. “Can’t afford it” implies that the film service is the only way to get film and being “rich” is the only way to pay for it.

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Re: Thoughts about this process of getting film.
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2018, 09:48:46 AM »


If he tells me he was not able to get that film, I will not believe him because he could have:
* had another coach go and film
* had a parent go and film
* had a friend or family member go and film
* made a deal with another coach to go and film
* made a deal with another coach to trade film
* hire a HS kid to go and film
* checked the Nextdoor app for a kid looking to make extra money for college and pay that kid to go and film

There are MANY aspects of the game that many coaches under coach or don't coach at all. If you ask them why, you'll get some BS about "this is only x year old ball. We just need to focus on the basics", but it really boils down to "I can't be bothered to learn this and pass it on to my players".

Work ethic is really what separates "real coaches" from the fake ones. I worry about me and could give a crap how opponents choose to prepare.

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This right here. We are at the 12u level and we (myself, parent volunteer, another coach or family member) film all of our games and when scheduling permits will film all of our future opponents. This requires a parent, another coach from our staff or even myself to sacrifice missing our own game from time to time. But we do have a ton of film to go over in addition to scouting in person. The only coaches on our staff that are exempt from drawing film duty on game days is our DC and OC for the obvious. We do share with most other teams that are willing to exchange film. If you are known as a team that asks others to share film but won't do so in return you are SOL. Filming and in person scouting is very valuable even at the youth level.