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Offline Vince148

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Re: USA Football Shoulder Tackling Series
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 11:13:38 AM »
When coaches say, "It all starts with stance," what they mean is that's where they are going to start teaching from.  But successful play at the youth level doesn't start from stance; it starts from contact.  That's why I don't understand why I see so many 30-minute teaching sessions on stance and then hear the coach complain that the kids can't block.  Maybe the coach should spend his 30-minute teaching session on the block, instead.

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ok. So you coach the fits and final product first. I agree and that is what I have been doing. The question for me would be, then what is important and not important to teach? Is it a waste of time to teach breakdown and hit positions, rip, shoot, swoop, near foot, etc. or should they just be taught in a different order? And what would that order be?

It's great that the kid knows where to place his hands, head, and shoulder. But he also needs to know how he gets to that position on a runner from his linebacker or defensive back position.


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Re: USA Football Shoulder Tackling Series
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 11:27:53 AM »
The question for me would be, then what is important and not important to teach?

--You tell me.  I'm sure your list is different from mine.  I'm sure you know what works/doesn't work with the players you coach.  Or what you want to see/don't want to see from your players.  I'm sure you skin a cat differently from the way I do.

Is it a waste of time to teach breakdown and hit positions, rip, shoot, swoop, near foot, etc. or should they just be taught in a different order? And what would that order be?

--It is a waste of time for me to teach breakdown because I don't want my players doing that.  Ever.  But I'm the one in a million coaches who doesn't want their tacklers doing that so for me to espouse that here is a waste of your time.  I saw the video but I still don't know (or remember) what a "swoop" is.  We teach hit positions, running our feet, the rip, the squeeze, upward explosion and coming down with our weight on the ball-carrier.  We don't teach buzzing the feet.  Running in place means nothing to me; I want our players to close space ASAP.  We don't teach a gator-roll.  Seen a couple of ball-carriers get their knees torn apart with that.  But I know that others do.  To each his own.

It's great that the kid knows where to place his hands, head, and shoulder. But he also needs to know how he gets to that position on a runner from his linebacker or defensive back position.

--Or Defensive Lineman position.  But we teach tackling the same way to all of them.  The only tackling technique that I can recall that we taught differently is when teaching our really small players to tackle runners between the ankle and the knee.  "Kicking out the spokes," we called it.  But you'll need to bring a Slip-N-Slide to practice.

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Re: USA Football Shoulder Tackling Series
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2017, 12:10:39 PM »

I think swoop is just getting yourself into a position of leverage with the near foot up.

The way I look at tackling...
1. Fits
2. Fit and takedown
3. Ripping
4. Driving through the ball carrier
5. Getting into a position of leverage with near foot up to make the tackle

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Re: USA Football Shoulder Tackling Series
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2017, 03:37:15 PM »
I didn't rule them out.  I said they weren't very good.  I didn't say "don't watch them/don't use them."  Watch them anyway.  There's probably something in there that you could get some use from.  But overall, I think they are a waste of time.  If you've attended a USAFootball seminar (and as a "Player Safety Coach," I've attended many throughout the years), how well do you think the coaches in attendance have done when being taught the USAFootball approach by the USAFootball guy?  While the demonstrator is often decisive in his instruction, the coaches (who are learning) either demonstrate very poor technique themselves, or are left scatching their head as to what it is they're supposed to do.  If the demonstrator can't teach a group of interested adults, then how effective are these guys going to be in taking that information to their own players?
I thought I picked it up pretty well from the one Gabe Infante gave.  Some of it did take more than one rep, though!

There's some of it I'd never use, some I thought was clever but not for me, but much I thought was great.