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Well, once AGAIN
« on: January 21, 2015, 02:44:30 AM »
Ol Bill B has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Seems everytime the Pats win a big game something comes out later to suggest they are cheating in some manner. Ill say as a Saints fan I think its time for the ol commish to go ballz deep on ol BB. My HC was banned for a yr plus draftpicks and the loss of our DC for the "bountygate" and yes we are still recovering. So this is number 2 for bill. Your move Mr Goodell.

At least fine him more than you do a RB for not wanting to talk to the media. sheesh

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2015, 05:38:14 AM »
I agree 100%. This is what the second time they have been caught cheating. The punishment delt out should be severe. BB should be suspended immediately and for more than 1 game. He should be out at least a year and heavly fined. The team needs a heavier punishment than 1 or 2 picks and a small fine. Things like this give the game a bad rep. If the old commish doesn't step up, he needs to get the hell out of dodge.
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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 07:59:14 AM »
Bill Belicheat.
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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 08:24:45 AM »
So there's no OL coach in the league that teaches his players how to hold without getting caught?  That's cheating.

There's no DB coach in the league that teaches his players how to hand fight without getting caught?  That's cheating.

That's an awful lot of suspended coaches...

He and the Pats aren't doing anything that multiple other teams and players have admitted everyone does.

Shades of Red Auerbach - can't beat him, whine about it.

That said - why the Pats continue to try to get cute and outsmart everyone as they bungle their way to getting caught is beyond me. Wouldn't kill me at all to see Belichick suspended for a good chunk of next year, if not all of next year.  Just for being stupid.

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2015, 09:12:41 AM »
I'm not a Pats fan.  But this is rubbish.  Both teams used the same balls and it didn't help Andrew Luck any.  They're deflated balls for Pete's sake.  For all we know, the frigid weather in Foxboro deflated the balls.  Like a previous post stated, teaching your O-Line to get away with holding is a bigger form of cheating.  Let them play football!

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2015, 09:35:23 AM »
I'm not a Pats fan.  But this is rubbish.  Both teams used the same balls and it didn't help Andrew Luck any. 

No they don't - the teams use their own footballs when on O.

Ironically Brady had a very unproductive passing day, so this whole thing is a bit overblown.

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They're deflated balls for Pete's sake.  For all we know, the frigid weather in Foxboro deflated the balls.

Wasn't that cold.

Notice it's usually not the coaches who are on the record complaining about this stuff, it's the players and the fans. Obviously coaches tend not to criticize each other, so that's part of it. But I also think there is a huge element of glass house syndrome.  No team is "clean" in the NFL - whether it's PED's, illegal techniques, or some other skirting of rules, they are ALL doing something that would be a black eye if it got out. The Pats are somewhat unique in that they just keep pushing things to an extreme.

It's really a shame - one of the greatest coaches in history, and IMO there will be many who will put an * after his name, deserved or not.

On the other hand, the organizational stupidity is mind-boggling.  Yes, they were doing something that lots of teams do, but the fact they seemingly do it in a systematic way that perhaps most teams don't, and they seemingly have no clue that they have a target on their backs due to the spygate BS (another practice that many other teams admitted they were doing)...

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2015, 09:35:38 AM »
So there's no OL coach in the league that teaches his players how to hold without getting caught?  That's cheating.

There's no DB coach in the league that teaches his players how to hand fight without getting caught?  That's cheating.

That's an awful lot of suspended coaches...

He and the Pats aren't doing anything that multiple other teams and players have admitted everyone does.

Shades of Red Auerbach - can't beat him, whine about it.

That said - why the Pats continue to try to get cute and outsmart everyone as they bungle their way to getting caught is beyond me. Wouldn't kill me at all to see Belichick suspended for a good chunk of next year, if not all of next year.  Just for being stupid.

Reports of a * to their Super Bowl wins

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2015, 09:49:44 AM »
I really didn't have much of an issue with "spy gate".  I think most people don't even understand what that was all about - stealing signals via filming isn't illegal. It was illegal to have a guy on the sideline filming.  Could have had 35 guys surrounding the field from the stands filming, but not one guy on the sideline, who by the way wasn't hiding.

Explain the huge "competitive advantage" gained there. It's not like the other teams didn't know the camera was there.  How is one guy wandering around with a visible camera some big advantage over having multiple cameras doing the same from all around the stadium?  The Pats got whacked by the league for that because Belichick essentially disrespected Goodell by continuing to do it after having been warned.

Deflated balls - please.

But I'm sick of the issue.  I'm sick of the organizational arrogance that this shows.  I'm tired of hearing about it. These things are probably LESS of an advantage than the sh*t that goes on in the trenches that gets taught by coaches.  But it's still breaking the rules, and it's getting old.

Wilbon is saying put the Colts in the Super Bowl.  That's ridiculous, it's just not that big of a deal from a competitive standpoint. But I would not mind at all if the NFL suspended Belichick for the season next year, if only just for being a f*cking moron. I wouldn't mind Kraft doing it if the NFL won't, but he won't have the balls (no pun intended).


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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2015, 09:52:31 AM »
I thought they wanted more scoring in NFL?   Isn't that why they come out with a new rule every year hamstringing the defense in some way?

Sheesh shouldn't even be an issue.    Let the qb inflate to his preference I say as long as ball is same size.   You can't throw a flat football, it doesn't spiral.    They took a little bit of air out, so what?   Seems so minor.  I always see coaches and players messing with balls at every level.   In NFL they only make a big deal out of the kicking balls, this came out of nowhere and seems ticky tack.  Feels like a ticket for going five over.

I guess rules are rules.  Wonder what punishment will be?

If you really wanted more successful qbs in nfl and improve scoring you would move to a slightly smaller ball and expand pool of guys who can do it.   A lot of guys have head for the game, but not the arm.   Lengthen the career of some guys as well.   Montana would have been a lot better last four years of his career.   Manning and Bresse would have been better this year. 

When I play scout qb or play around with the smaller balls in youth it's so much fun because you can throw the ball so much easier and farther. 
« Last Edit: January 21, 2015, 09:56:32 AM by DL »

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2015, 10:02:04 AM »
I thought Spygate was BS as well.  You are right about the fact that the only rule broken was having a guy on the field.  Which, yes... makes Belichick (or whomever made the decision to do this) an idiot.  You get a better view from the stands anyways, and with the HD cameras available, you can zoom in from a neighboring skyscraper. 

Bountygate is a whole other story. 

Belichick likes pushing boundaries.  See his wardrobe for proof of that.  He does what he wants.  I can respect that.  But rules are rules.  Get caught, pay the consequence. 

I still think it is rubbish that these rules exists.  Just like the rule that robbed Dez Bryant (and Calvin Johnson) of a spectacular catch.  Not to get all political, but it is like people are making new rules for the sake of making them so they can have a reason for the existence of their jobs.

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2015, 11:19:09 AM »
I really didn't have much of an issue with "spy gate".  I think most people don't even understand what that was all about - stealing signals via filming isn't illegal. It was illegal to have a guy on the sideline filming.  Could have had 35 guys surrounding the field from the stands filming, but not one guy on the sideline, who by the way wasn't hiding.

Explain the huge "competitive advantage" gained there. It's not like the other teams didn't know the camera was there.  How is one guy wandering around with a visible camera some big advantage over having multiple cameras doing the same from all around the stadium?  The Pats got whacked by the league for that because Belichick essentially disrespected Goodell by continuing to do it after having been warned.

Deflated balls - please.

But I'm sick of the issue.  I'm sick of the organizational arrogance that this shows.  I'm tired of hearing about it. These things are probably LESS of an advantage than the sh*t that goes on in the trenches that gets taught by coaches.  But it's still breaking the rules, and it's getting old.

Wilbon is saying put the Colts in the Super Bowl.  That's ridiculous, it's just not that big of a deal from a competitive standpoint. But I would not mind at all if the NFL suspended Belichick for the season next year, if only just for being a f*cking moron. I wouldn't mind Kraft doing it if the NFL won't, but he won't have the balls (no pun intended).

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Spygate....real or otherwise.... is what eventually cost McDaniel's his job in Denver.

Going from memory here....He had some AC's film the 49'rs practice when they were all over in London for a game. That leaked out so the League began the investigation. A few weeks later Bowlen decided that he wasn't worth the bad PR and fired him before the season ended.

At the time it was a real surprise him getting fired because Denver was still paying off Shanahan's contract and would now have to pay off McDaniels contract if both continued to be unemployed. That is when Bowlen hired Elway who had been groomed by Bowlen as an Administrator when they both ran the Colorado Crush. Denver hadn't had a "real" GM in over 15 years because Shanahan did everything...and so did McDaniels.

If I were a Pats fans I would be tired of the bad PR and I agree Bilicheck brings it on to himself. Winning doesn't really fix that.
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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2015, 11:20:35 AM »

 Winning doesn't really fix that.

Ha!


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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2015, 11:24:53 AM »
Ha!
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If the NFL thinks you cheat to win....do you really want that?

You hear it all the time....The Pats haven't won a SB since Spygate so they cant win without cheating. Absurd to think that way but people do. That would piss me off as a fan.

Now if the Pats win in Glendale its because they cheated last week.  ::)
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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2015, 11:48:36 AM »
How does this happen?  Game officials check the balls before the game, so where does this report come from of 11 of 12 balls the Pats brought being down 2 PSI?  Did someone else check them?  Or did the officials say, OK, so they're 2 PSI under spec, use them anyway?

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Re: Well, once AGAIN
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2015, 11:52:25 AM »
How does this happen?  Game officials check the balls before the game, so where does this report come from of 11 of 12 balls the Pats brought being down 2 PSI?  Did someone else check them?  Or did the officials say, OK, so they're 2 PSI under spec, use them anyway?

Exactly!  It's all politics.  The NFL doesn't particularly like Belichick and his nonconformist style, so they expose the most mundane thing possible.  At least this is a tiny distraction from all the domestic violence recently highlighted in the NFL.