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Offline CoachDP

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2018, 10:28:05 AM »
No nonsense to some just means they don't allow any tomfoolery while telling the kids how good they were back in 8th grade.

When I announce my list of expectations for my players, I tell them, "There are three things I won't have: shenanigans, tomfoolery and hijinks."  Say it directly with a straight face and see what kind of looks you get on the player's faces.  lol

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2018, 10:29:00 AM »
I don't know if our players were ever having "fun" at practice or not but we NEVER struggled with attendance. The only thing I can surmise is they either wanted to be at practice, OR they felt like they had to be at practice in order to keep up. We did get feedback from parents about their belief that we had good practices but I don't know that equated to "fun".

I am 100% certain that kids love to make progress, most of them want to be coached hard (they don't always know that initially) and they love to be challenged. We tried to make that happen everyday.

I know for myself and my staff, when player's were making progress we (coaches) were having fun and the kids knew it.

When a kid knows something is important to you, they tend to want to get that right...unless they think you are a douche.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2018, 10:33:23 AM »
I am 100% certain that kids love to make progress, most of them want to be coached hard (they don't always know that initially) and they love to be challenged. We tried to make that happen everyday.

Kids are willing to be coached hard when they are confident that you know what you're doing.  As coaches, we are extremely confident in this area.  The problem comes when guys who have no clue make their own attempt at coaching players hard.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2018, 10:39:53 AM »
Now we're getting to the crux of the matter!

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2018, 10:53:16 AM »
I was with an org for 2 years where I made the practice plan and ran the first 3 weeks of practice for all 4 teams...MM,JPW,PW and JM. We did it sort of  "Cisar style" where there was a Head position coach for each position and all players at each age level did Indi's/install together.

The first 2 weeks were really high paced and we mixed in some physical challenges along the way to satisfy the "we must condition" crowd.  Prior to the changes, this org ran the slowest, lamest practices you have ever seen. Anyway, the new pace and style was quite a shock to everybody's system.

On the final day of the 2nd week, I brought 5-600 water balloons in big rubber totes. At the end of practice we made a giant circle...all 85-100 kids...coaches in the middle. Everybody thought we were going to end practice with some sort of conditioning...until we had the parents bring out the totes full of water balloons. Each kid got 4-5 balloons. I told them that since we had been pounding on them for 2 weeks, they now got to pound on us for a minute. Coaches were allowed to protect themselves but couldn't run. That's one time I KNOW they had fun.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2018, 10:55:00 AM »
Another great way to make sure kids do not like practice is to only mention when they make a mistake.

Heaven forbid you compliment them for taking a coaching correction and acting on it in the next rep.  REAFFIRM IMPROVEMENTS!

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2018, 11:02:38 AM »
Kids are willing to be coached hard when they are confident that you know what you're doing.  As coaches, we are extremely confident in this area.  The problem comes when guys who have no clue make their own attempt at coaching players hard.

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I agree with that and will add....for us coaching hard doesn't mean yelling and screaming...it doesn't even always involve a tremendous amount of encouragement. To me, coaching hard means constant correction and not allowing a kid to think he has made progress because you simply opted not to tell him about his mistake.

I'm not a nazi about it but I'm not going to lie to a kid by letting him think he's getting better if he isn't. I use a phrase when a kid makes progress, "It's not perfect but it's perfect for now". That just means he hasn't mastered it but he is making progress.

You can't ask a player to do something you yourself are unwilling to do. If I'm asking a kid to work then I have to work myself and that means constant correction...that's how the player knows I'm doing my job.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2018, 11:10:49 AM »
There have been many different topics on here over the years that I have been here...that deal with this...DC, DP, others have talked about their approaches to practice, Jack put out a deck called Warrior's Edge...they all touch on this, some touch deeper than others...

I liked Dave's comment from 2013...its a game, so inherently, it should be fun...Candy Land is also a game, so it should also be fun...but for most boys at any rate, it stops being fun when they turn 4 or 5...and why does Candy Land stop being fun for boys? Because it is not hard...

Boys want to be challenged, they all want to be Batman, or a Cop or a Marine, when we were boys, we wanted to be a Cowboy and shoot the outlaws or some of us wanted to be the outlaws ;) ...they want the good stuff, and the good stuff is always hard...

Now hard is not everyone's cup of tea...some try it hard, and decide to go back to baseball or soccer or the Xbox, because they are not as hard. Football is a violent game played by hard people...

I think it was Dave who said earlier that it gets fun when they taste success...so my job as a coach is to coach them hard (because they want to be Batman, and being Batman is hard), coach them well and let them taste success. Make the competitions hard (not at first, putting Tiny Tim on a board drill with Giagantic George does neither any good, especially when they are first learning the game)...Run fits, boring right? Not when my Line is going up against our quicker faster backs...it's hard for the line, at first to get my F or my H blocked, because they are not as athletic...but we coach them up, hard, and they figure out how to adjust their steps to get that fast kid blocked...and both my ball guys and my bigs love doing run fit against each other...they also love doing one on one pass pro against each other...the first time one of my tackles put my OLB (who is also my F) on his back during pass pro, everyone whooped and hollared, including the guy on his back, he got up and congratualed the Tackle. My players were having fun, competing in a hard drill.

Drills they ask for...

Run Fits
Pass Pro
10 Yard Fight
Circle of Death
Whose Ball

Boys want to compete, they want to be challenged, at least most do, and they have fun when they get to compete, when they are challenged.

Both Daves are right, its how you coach them up that determines whether they have fun and fall in love with this game...

As an aside...my boy is in his last day of optional work outs. He gets the rest of the week off before moving to campus for camp...we were talking on the phone yesterday...he has taken the last month to size up the players he will be competing with, and the ones he will be competing against...he is excited to put on the pads and get out there and compete...his words "When I put on the pads, game over". He is confident in his ability to play the game, and for him, it is fun.

None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2018, 11:13:35 AM »
Kids are willing to be coached hard when they are confident that you know what you're doing.  As coaches, we are extremely confident in this area.  The problem comes when guys who have no clue make their own attempt at coaching players hard.

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The easiest way to spot a coaching fraud is when you see that coach who yells about the result rather than the process. I see it almost every practice with many of the guys I coach with. They yell shit like, "you gotta make that catch" or "you missed it". Those are the results not the process. How did you help a player make progress by pointing out the obvious?... "you gotta make that catch"....no shit! How about something helpful like, "you missed that one because your were 1 step short on your stem" or whatever the hell it was that led to the player making the mistake.

Most of the time, I think the coach is coaching the result rather than the process because he doesn't know why the kid made the mistake....IMO the coach is a fraud.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2018, 12:25:41 PM »
The easiest way to spot a coaching fraud is when you see that coach who yells about the result rather than the process. I see it almost every practice with many of the guys I coach with. They yell shit like, "you gotta make that catch" or "you missed it". Those are the results not the process. How did you help a player make progress by pointing out the obvious?... "you gotta make that catch"....no shit! How about something helpful like, "you missed that one because your were 1 step short on your stem" or whatever the hell it was that led to the player making the mistake.

Most of the time, I think the coach is coaching the result rather than the process because he doesn't know why the kid made the mistake....IMO the coach is a fraud.

I completely agree. You have to give the player a discrete action or set of actions they can do to correct the mistake. Too many coaches point out mistakes without giving any actual instruction.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2018, 03:08:50 PM »
When I announce my list of expectations for my players, I tell them, "There are three things I won't have: shenanigans, tomfoolery and hijinks."  Say it directly with a straight face and see what kind of looks you get on the player's faces.  lol

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2018, 03:15:41 PM »
coaching hard doesn't mean yelling and screaming.

^ This.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2018, 03:22:06 PM »
The easiest way to spot a coaching fraud is when you see that coach who yells about the result rather than the process. I see it almost every practice with many of the guys I coach with. They yell shit like, "you gotta make that catch" or "you missed it". Those are the results not the process. How did you help a player make progress by pointing out the obvious?... "you gotta make that catch"....no shit! How about something helpful like, "you missed that one because your were 1 step short on your stem" or whatever the hell it was that led to the player making the mistake.

Most of the time, I think the coach is coaching the result rather than the process because he doesn't know why the kid made the mistake....IMO the coach is a fraud.

Josh, much of what you're saying here is what I mean when I talk about "Proactive" and "Reactive" coaching.  "Reactive" coaching is coaching a player after the mistake (in usually a way that has nothing to do with the mistake.  Like making a ball-carrier do up/downs after a fumble).  "Proactive" coaching is having him do a drill like "Knock-Out" before he even takes a hand-off.

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2018, 03:51:11 PM »
Hey Farva! What's the name of that place with the cheese sticks and the goofy shit on the walls?

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Re: What does it mean when you say, "I want practices to be fun."?
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2018, 03:54:21 PM »
The easiest way to spot a coaching fraud is when you see that coach who yells about the result rather than the process. I see it almost every practice with many of the guys I coach with. They yell shit like, "you gotta make that catch" or "you missed it". Those are the results not the process. How did you help a player make progress by pointing out the obvious?... "you gotta make that catch"....no shit! How about something helpful like, "you missed that one because your were 1 step short on your stem" or whatever the hell it was that led to the player making the mistake.

Most of the time, I think the coach is coaching the result rather than the process because he doesn't know why the kid made the mistake....IMO the coach is a fraud.

Cut from the same cloth. I learned this from a guy named Rod Olson or "Coach O". He used to do a lot of clinics in the Denver area.  That was very early in my career and really stuck with me.
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