Help MosleyTheCat keep the forum running smoothly. Please DONATE using PayPal!

Author Topic: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast  (Read 2986 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline gumby_in_co

  • Gold
  • Posts: 2859
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: League Owner
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2017, 02:56:18 PM »
Love watching the game footage, great stuff. 

I think I might try bigger splits for a series and see how it does, just to say I did it lol

Careful. You might not make it back. :D

I was a "dyed in the wool" DTDW guy for years. I used to think those guys were idiots who said "spread them out to make room for the backs".

Mahonz and I go way back, but he was talking all this chit about mega-wide splits on the forum one day. I decided that I had to go and see it for myself, so I drove 30 minutes to watch his team play. I think they were 3rd or 4th graders. Hardly any defensive players got through and when they did, they never seemed to make a play.

Now . . . I'll never go back to phone booth splits again, as long as it's up to me.
Mission Statement: To create a Football Family that our players and parents can't imagine not being a part of.

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 23073
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Assistant
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2017, 08:39:00 PM »
Careful. You might not make it back. :D

I was a "dyed in the wool" DTDW guy for years. I used to think those guys were idiots who said "spread them out to make room for the backs".

Mahonz and I go way back, but he was talking all this chit about mega-wide splits on the forum one day. I decided that I had to go and see it for myself, so I drove 30 minutes to watch his team play. I think they were 3rd or 4th graders. Hardly any defensive players got through and when they did, they never seemed to make a play.

Now . . . I'll never go back to phone booth splits again, as long as it's up to me.

What I like about others considering wide splits seeing this film is how aggressive the Colts defense was. Yes they made their plays....they have loads of talent and speed....but if they left ONE crack....see yah ! Others also need to realize...these two teams have probably played each other 6 times now and TWO of them were Championship games. So if any team is familiar with attacking mega splits...its the team in Blue.

I asked Godzilla during the game why his splits were so compressed....

My man is kicking my ass Coach

Love his honestly.
Collect moments, not wins.

Offline gumby_in_co

  • Gold
  • Posts: 2859
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: League Owner
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2017, 01:01:24 AM »
So I stumbled onto the solution to blocking the crazy stunts. Tonight, we scrimmaged the defense that shut down Beast last Fall. As soon as we came out in Beast, the coaching staff started shouting "BEAST! BEAST!" and the defense shifted into their special look. It's early in the season, so I didn't fully expect them to have their stunt package installed. After a few moderately successful runs, I saw their coach pull a couple of guys into position and did a hasty stunt install. I immediately recognized the EMLOS and his inside partner from last Fall's playoff game. This was their "stunt duo".

It so happened that on the next play, we had a rookie in our middle sniffer position. His job is to kick out the EMLOS. He's a good athlete, but still very raw with limited "football sense". I gave him the number of his blocking assignment, which is normal for us. The EMLOS stunted hard 2 gaps to the inside, while the next guy stunted hard outside. My rookie stood still and watched this happen. Once the inside guy reached the edge and started heading upfield, the rookie sniffer stepped into him and threw an efficient and effective kick out.

That's when it hit me. Stunt all you want. Eventually you're going to end up in a gap somewhere. With our splits, these stunts are VERY slow developing. So I told my line to hold their water and slow play the stunts. This is counter to everything I've ever heard, read or taught about o-line. "Don't come off the ball quickly".  Well, it worked and our next two plays were big gains.

In all fairness, Mahonz planted the seeds for this last week. He was running his "spaghetti" defense just to get our o-line thinking. We have a "bandit" call, but I wanted to let them try to work things out without blocking down hard. I just told the G and T that one of these two will cross your face and go to the B gap and the other will cross your face and go to the C gap. Just wait until they show up and block them.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited and hopeful that this will stand the test of time. Full disclosure: this is happening with 4 foot splits, so results may vary if you try it with smaller splits.
Mission Statement: To create a Football Family that our players and parents can't imagine not being a part of.

Offline Michael

  • Administrator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 13924
  • Coaching: 13 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Assistant
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2017, 02:55:36 AM »
Paul Alexander talked about it at C.O.O.L. one year. And the Air Raid guys do similar things with their vertical sets.
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein

Offline PSLCOACHROB

  • Moderator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 11746
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Retired
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2017, 01:40:24 PM »
Area blocking? I never told my ko man who to ko. Just ko who ever shows. Easier with tight splits though as someone shows immediately. Interesting. What happens against a team that stunts occasionally?

Offline gumby_in_co

  • Gold
  • Posts: 2859
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: League Owner
Re: "Stunt Proofing" the Beast
« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2017, 03:41:54 PM »
Area blocking? I never told my ko man who to ko. Just ko who ever shows. Easier with tight splits though as someone shows immediately. Interesting. What happens against a team that stunts occasionally?

The funny thing about this offense is that you have to be prepared to take your lumps. With splits up to 10 feet (not kidding), someone is bound to get through and stuff you once in awhile. Beast is particularly susceptible to this because it brings out the stupid defenses. So when something fundamental isn't working repeatedly, we'll make an in-game adjustment . . . or go to something else. That's the beauty of being truly "multiple".

I'm also not 100% sold that this has to be a "tag" or a "call". If they stunt, chill out and see what happens. If not, handle them right away. My gut tells me that the linemen can handle this.  Giant splits are very forgiving to a mediocre block. Sometimes two, if they're far enough apart. Three or more and you're probably in trouble.
Mission Statement: To create a Football Family that our players and parents can't imagine not being a part of.