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1 year later complete opposite issues
« on: July 19, 2015, 05:17:19 PM »
I had posted that last year my biggest kids were 162 & 165 in a 190 max league, I had 6 kids in the 150s. And we had some mediocre speed, never the fastest team field, basically a bunch of linebacker type kids.

This year we have no speed, last yr we were linebacker fast this year we are FB fast. Again the slowest team in league BUT now the contrast in speed has increased to the severe category . BUUUTT we have 4 200 lb kids, 3 kids between 180 to 190 and 3 more 170 to 175 ish...IF WE had these big boys last year we would of been at the finals!!!

MAN so now most of the offense schemes ideas I was doing are almost impossible, were just to slow!

what to do

« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 12:43:41 PM by CoachOCD »

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2015, 07:28:30 PM »
Sounds like your got some road graders, maybe tighten those splits and run the Double wing...

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2015, 08:24:50 PM »
DO it like Stanford does in the pac 12.  Clearly way slower than most of the teams.  They just run the ball down the other teams throats and get 4 to 6 yards a crack.
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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 12:23:10 PM »
Sounds like your got some road graders, maybe tighten those splits and run the Double wing...

In SoCal? The villagers would show up at his house at midnight and chase him out of town with torches, clubs, and pitchforks like his name was Dr. Frankenstein.  :P

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 12:28:50 PM »
Sounds like a call for the DW offense to me

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 01:09:22 PM »
In SoCal? The villagers would show up at his house at midnight and chase him out of town with torches, clubs, and pitchforks like his name was Dr. Frankenstein.  :P
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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2015, 01:19:28 PM »
In SoCal? The villagers would show up at his house at midnight and chase him out of town with torches, clubs, and pitchforks like his name was Dr. Frankenstein.  :P

Funny you say that. Soooooo were are at coaches meeting, were in public, local pizza joint. Other coaches from other age groups are there but just as coincidence. So we start talking football, over a few pitchers, I immediately say, unless there is a sudden influx of athletes, were going to gave to alter our game plans, offensively special teams and defensively.

EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT at this point..........

I continued knowing an argument was coming " ok so we gotta change up formations, plays, our entire O, it cant be the same, this is a complete overhaul coming, we need to start picking what Os we can even run. Lets take into consideration our size and lack of speed"
lets list em, just spit out your ideas...I had a pen n paper, heres what I got (they said more but I summarized)


coach A - spread, lets spread em out
coach B - I formation, a good hard power game
coach C - wow you guys are screwed, your just now trying to figure out what your running, practice starts in a week..hahah your screwed!
coach D & E were asst coaches neither had an opinion but funny enough they both started talking about what they ran in HS???


coach ME - guys spread means we have a passing attack, we have no QB, and could maybe make a couple of OK receivers, so not even a legitimate passing threat, that means 8 man box and pressure...we dont even have a running back yet we have a couple of possible FB types...way to slow for a spread run game....this is DOA before first game guaranteed!

coach me - I means we have a stud RB, thats what the I offers...but there are "some I things" we can use, so over all not bad, no I think we need to start looking at offenses that doesnt feature 1 back, an O that isnt dependant on a traditional QB or receivers cuz we aint got either...right??? am I right???

this is the last time anybody agreed with anything I said

I then suggested double wing...but I said first "theres an O thats just fine with slow backs and a big o line, you dont need good receivers and you dont need a typical QB, the QB in this O is really a lead blocker that can throw a ball, its the DW"

OH GOD THERE HE GOES AGAIN
YOU GOTTA BE FUGIN JOKING RIGHT
DW THAT O'S A JOKE, WE PLAYED A TEAM AND KILLED EM
THAT O SUCKS
YOU NEED SMALL FAST LINEMEN FOR THAT O WERE TO BIG
I PLAYED 3 DW TEAMS AND IT EASY TO STOP IT
HC - DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BE OFFENSIVE COORDNATOR IM GONNA FIRE HIS DUMB ASS


so what do you think guys? I can get em to go with DW? Im thinking there might be a little resistance


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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2015, 01:44:08 PM »
Funny you say that. Soooooo were are at coaches meeting, were in public, local pizza joint. Other coaches from other age groups are there but just as coincidence. So we start talking football, over a few pitchers, I immediately say, unless there is a sudden influx of athletes, were going to gave to alter our game plans, offensively special teams and defensively.

EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT at this point..........

I continued knowing an argument was coming " ok so we gotta change up formations, plays, our entire O, it cant be the same, this is a complete overhaul coming, we need to start picking what Os we can even run. Lets take into consideration our size and lack of speed"
lets list em, just spit out your ideas...I had a pen n paper, heres what I got (they said more but I summarized)


coach A - spread, lets spread em out
coach B - I formation, a good hard power game
coach C - wow you guys are screwed, your just now trying to figure out what your running, practice starts in a week..hahah your screwed!
coach D & E were asst coaches neither had an opinion but funny enough they both started talking about what they ran in HS???


coach ME - guys spread means we have a passing attack, we have no QB, and could maybe make a couple of OK receivers, so not even a legitimate passing threat, that means 8 man box and pressure...we dont even have a running back yet we have a couple of possible FB types...way to slow for a spread run game....this is DOA before first game guaranteed!

coach me - I means we have a stud RB, thats what the I offers...but there are "some I things" we can use, so over all not bad, no I think we need to start looking at offenses that doesnt feature 1 back, an O that isnt dependant on a traditional QB or receivers cuz we aint got either...right??? am I right???

this is the last time anybody agreed with anything I said

I then suggested double wing...but I said first "theres an O thats just fine with slow backs and a big o line, you dont need good receivers and you dont need a typical QB, the QB in this O is really a lead blocker that can throw a ball, its the DW"

OH GOD THERE HE GOES AGAIN
YOU GOTTA BE FUGIN JOKING RIGHT
DW THAT O'S A JOKE, WE PLAYED A TEAM AND KILLED EM
THAT O SUCKS
YOU NEED SMALL FAST LINEMEN FOR THAT O WERE TO BIG
I PLAYED 3 DW TEAMS AND IT EASY TO STOP IT
HC - DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BE OFFENSIVE COORDNATOR IM GONNA FIRE HIS DUMB ASS


so what do you think guys? I can get em to go with DW? Im thinking there might be a little resistance


OC

Line up in Jumbo (what we call DT I formation) and run your DW plays from that. Most of the naysayers won't know the difference, because they don't know the offense, only the formation. Lol.

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 03:26:59 PM »
DO it like Stanford does in the pac 12.  Clearly way slower than most of the teams.  They just run the ball down the other teams throats and get 4 to 6 yards a crack.

Easy to say.  Much harder to do.

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 05:58:31 PM »
When I first came to the school I am at now they were a Stanford Power team. Anyone would be insane to think it's easy. The Offense is much more complicated than it looks. It's great when you have to the right players for it or can recruit the right ones.

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 07:03:24 PM »
When I first came to the school I am at now they were a Stanford Power team. Anyone would be insane to think it's easy. The Offense is much more complicated than it looks. It's great when you have to the right players for it or can recruit the right ones.

Joe


oh thanks MH Im drowning and your describing the water...yes Im sure MH knows Im joking.  I know its a tough install, and your right, when you can recruit for a specific O all is well. As you know, this is for a youth "no recruit" league and have to play with the cards dealt, no re deal no wild cards.

With what we had sign up so far its going to be a uphill battle eg a rough season. I haven't seen but a few of the kids so far but word has it "we have a lot of weight"...now this doesn't mean I have big O line that can move it means as quoted "a lot of weight". Im really in a pickle until I see the kids first hand. I hate this! It makes me nuts to think Im going into first day of practice without an offense and several meetings pre season. I usually do install on my own, but the lack of planning is going to be a handicap guaranteed!

So far I know there is 14 kids, no experienced running backs, no QB with any experience, and a couple of former 10 play kids that said they were receivers, and 4 that I know of - experienced linemen 5 10 175, 5 7" 195, 5 8" 190, and 3 kids were reported to be 200. But now I learn if they are over 15 lbs over they will not be allowed to play "unsafe weight loss demand" and will be excused. The "BIG" kid was a freshmen who didnt make grades but was 15 so he was too old....DAMN! and he couldnt make weight anyways

Any ideas can help, I think Im in for a frustrating time this year.

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Re: 1 year later complete opposite issues
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2015, 07:31:16 PM »


I am a firm believer in coaching what you know. Whatever offense you know the best that's the one to use.

Joe
« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 01:55:42 PM by MHcoach »
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