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Offline jcarbon2

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Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« on: March 13, 2012, 01:58:07 AM »
Guys,

Anybody have any playbooks that fit these rules:

1)Base defense is 6-2-3 or 6-3-2 with heads up DL in front of OG's and OT's.
2)All formations are balanced double tight full house. No WR split wider that 1 x 1 from TE.
3)No pulling

I know a few of you have coached in leagues where these are the crazy rules. Would like to see how you guys attacked the defense.

Thanks,

John

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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 02:49:10 PM »
I'm certainly no expert but (especially when our team was younger) we saw this type of defense.  We didn't have the rules that mandated it but it seemed to play out the way you describe.

We ran a rubic's cube type of offense from T, Wishbone, and Double Wing formations:

Wedge
Cross (we pulled a guard so you would have to do it a different way)
Off Tackle
Sweep
Sweep Pass
TE Dump

We always broke the huddle in T formation, then shifted into the formation called.  Cadence was "Down, Go, Ready...Hit"

Down - shift into formation called, get into your stance
Go - potential snap count
Ready - signal for motion to begin
Hit - potential snap count

That was the core of our offense.  We also had a Wing-T formation where we ran these plays but that also allowed for some "pop passes" and a reverse...you wouldn't have that ability given the rule restrictions.

The other thought off the top of my head is that you may be able to play around with somehow tweaking a DW offense (assignments) to deal with these rules.

FWIW

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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 02:56:16 PM »
That's what we saw when I coached the little dudes.

We ran double-tight wishbone, everybody we played was in an eight-man box, and I never pull.

We went with pretty decent splits, so on our FB dive, we'd just pop him through really, really fast, while everyone manned up.  Scored a bunch of long TDs with it.  Our QB got hurt for a play once, so we put our FB at QB, and had him run a QB dive.  Went like 40 yards for a TD.

On our HB sweep and QB bootleg, the lead backs would handle the CB and the guy on the edge of the box.

That's all we did. 
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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 03:17:26 PM »
Jc any "crossblocks" allowed?  I believe the "core" of any fullhouse look will work.  Use wider splits to exploit defense front.  Package in some play-action pass off counter action,  flood pass and bootlegs.  You can even use your QB add a  'follow tag" on some "core" plays.  Let me know what you think Jc, we can whiteboard if you like.

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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 03:33:14 PM »
If you can go with an unbalanced backfield, then I'd run a direct snap beast series, for sure.

I'd also go under center with double wing w/out the puller - the QB toss and lead gets you that extra blocker like beast has, and then I'd run XX counter and counter cutback so the QB and FB can lead on counter, with the motion setting it up.

Basically, just thinking out loud so to speak:

First, I'd flip my line, with all of the below plays run to the strong side.  Unless my team was good enough where all linemen are equal.  Or bad enough, I guess, LOL.

My base blocking would be double teams on the playside - C/G blocking the first DL, T/TE blocking the DT.  If any of them can take their guy one on one, then I'd release their buddy to the LB - MLB vs a 63, backside LB vs a 62.  Backside blocking would be one on one - G to first DL, T to DT, TE hinge back on DE.

Beast series:

Blast off tackle: base blocking as above on line, WB kicks DE, FB's pick up LB(s) or just lead into hole.

Sweep:  OL I think I'd send the TE to the playside LB and the C to seal the backside LB.  WB blocks down on DE, FB's lead around him to perimeter.

Counter:  Flip the OL with the playside being opposite of the backs and line blocks base.  The inside FB crosses and kicks DE, outside FB leads up inside of that block, inside handoff to WB.

Wedge to inside FB off a short snap.

Power pass:  TE runs deep corner (deep meaning as deep as QB can throw), and either the WB or the first (outside) FB runs shallow under CB, with the other one blocking the DE.  Inside FB looks for penetration, or seals backside DE and you can release the backside TE down the middle.

That's a 5 play series that would work pretty well, I'd imagine.

I'd also go DTDW under center, standard DW motion:

Power would be the same base double team blocking.  Backs - WB goes to FBI, FB kicks DE, QB tosses and picks up first to show in hole. 

Counter would be an XX counter and I'd also install counter cutback - flip the line and base double team block, QB tosses and kicks DE, FB leads up into hole for WB with ball.

Power sweep would be same as beast, with QB and FB leading around the WB's down block of DE.

Power pass - can run with QB throwing as well as tossing to WB who throws.  Same as BEAST as far as WB or FB goes under CB, TE behind him.  Can release LTE down middle with QB or motion WB sealing backside DE.

Would have either wedge or a play to the 0 hole with a toss against a 62 where the LB's were starting to cheat to the C gaps.  From strong right - C and G double team first DL to the right, FB comes across behind C and double teams the first DL to the left of C with the other G.  WB goes in motion, catches the toss, and simply cuts straight up the middle.  QB tosses and runs C gap power, sealing that DE.  RTE releases to S.  Left side is base blocking - G has the double team with FB, T is one on one, TE hinges/seals DE.

I'd also consider implementing a jet/speed sweep with everyone playside reaching.

I'd probably install Wing I and run blast/ISO with just the FB leading and the QB bootleg backside.

You can take a page from Terry Cox and deepen the offset FB and have him line up away from strength - run the WB in speed motion across to the strong side to kick the DE, and have the QB toss to the FB and lead on a FB power.
 

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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 09:01:28 PM »
Coaches,

Thanks for the info.

flynn, nope no cross blocks :(

John

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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 09:27:33 AM »
Double dive series, a la Barta Bone.
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Re: Anybody have a playbook for these crazy rules??
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 07:49:05 PM »
Coach,

Can you trap with a running back?

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Coacho