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Offline Bob Goodman

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2017, 10:49:17 AM »
Start with all the plays & formations you could conceive of running.  Then at each position, count the assignments the player would have to learn to run the entire playbook.  Then cut down your play repertoire until the maximum number of assignments would be what you think a player could learn.  Then see if that turned any of the remaining plays into an "orphan" that doesn't fit as part of a sensible series of plays you still have; get rid of all of those orphan plays except for any that you just plain could use regardless of lack of post-snap deception.

Maybe the word "assignment" is too narrow for what I'm thinking of, because it includes everything the player has to get good at.  So the way I'm using it here, learning a certain snap, a certain blocking form, a certain blocking rule, a post-snap read, a receiving route...each is an "assignment".  Of course counting assignments is only a rule of thumb for this, because some such assignments will take longer than others, but it's not a bad way to assess overall what should be the size of your playbook, and you'll refine it as necessary.  You might get into a situation where although each player has a reasonable number of assignments to learn, you don't have enough coaches to teach them all in that time.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2017, 10:53:21 AM »
I very recently accepted a new position as the QB coach for the San Diego Surge, a women's professional team (not lingerie - it's real tackle football).  They play in the spring, so it will not interfere with my HS position.  Anyway, The OC told me they only have 4 run plays and 4 pass plays.  He just sent me the playbook - it's almost 200 pages long!  Can't wait to dive into that and find out how 8 plays can be that complicated.  LOL.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2017, 10:54:50 AM »
I very recently accepted a new position as the QB coach for the San Diego Surge, a women's professional team (not lingerie - it's real tackle football).  They play in the spring, so it will not interfere with my HS position.  Anyway, The OC told me they only have 4 run plays and 4 pass plays.  He just sent me the playbook - it's almost 200 pages long!  Can't wait to dive into that and find out how 8 plays can be that complicated.  LOL.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2017, 10:56:30 AM »
I would say 12 plays icluding those that go rt/lt or wk strong is Max.
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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2017, 12:26:18 PM »
He just sent me the playbook - it's almost 200 pages long!  Can't wait to dive into that and find out how 8 plays can be that complicated.

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As a DW offense, we have 8 core plays (Power, Sweep, Trap, Counter, Wedge, Iso, Reverse and a pass).  Our QB's wrist-coach has 72 entries because of formations and blocking tags.  I don't think it included motions/no-mo.  I know it didn't include Full Cadence/1st Sound/Sleep/Coma derivatives.  There's an infinite number of ways to dress up your 4/8/12 plays.  But the shorter your quarters, the less likely the need for the differing window dressing and shell game because you may not even have time to show, bait, underline, re-dress and then trick, other than what a basic Counter or Reverse/Criss-Cross/Cutback provides.  BTW--Our conference has voted that in 2018 all JV games will move to 10-minute quarters, down from 12.  It'll be interesting to see how this effects our playbook.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2017, 12:32:41 PM »
I very recently accepted a new position as the QB coach for the San Diego Surge, a women's professional team (not lingerie - it's real tackle football).  They play in the spring, so it will not interfere with my HS position.  Anyway, The OC told me they only have 4 run plays and 4 pass plays.  He just sent me the playbook - it's almost 200 pages long!  Can't wait to dive into that and find out how 8 plays can be that complicated.  LOL.
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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2017, 02:20:23 PM »
yo can't see how it can be that varied? White board w/ me!
I haven't had a chance to really look at the playbook just yet.  I will get into it this week.  Once I understand it, I'll come back here and explain it.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2017, 02:28:44 PM »
I haven't had a chance to really look at the playbook just yet.  I will get into it this week.  Once I understand it, I'll come back here and explain it.
I can make 8 play look like 10,000 plays no problem.And all it really is, is 8 plays
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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 05:28:33 PM »
Tag!  You're It!   

Lets just say that last season, I tried every method I could help the Line out.

Garbage Cans, Stand Up Tackling Dummies, and Parents, Brothers, Sisters.  They Nailed the "Rules" by Pointing correctly to their assignments.  Took away all that and put a Defense in front of them and Chaos Ensued. Worried too much about what wasn't in front of them that what was.  They were still shaky as the season ended. 

Of note is the fact that many did not come to practices due to parental obligations and boo boo's.  Hard for me, and the kids, to establish a memorable routine when you're hardly ever in the same position or same side of the line.   

Just an example of O Line things that can absolutely "Limit" the size of your play book. 

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 08:12:23 PM »
Tag!  You're It!   

Lets just say that last season, I tried every method I could help the Line out.

Garbage Cans, Stand Up Tackling Dummies, and Parents, Brothers, Sisters.  They Nailed the "Rules" by Pointing correctly to their assignments.  Took away all that and put a Defense in front of them and Chaos Ensued. Worried too much about what wasn't in front of them that what was.  They were still shaky as the season ended. 

Of note is the fact that many did not come to practices due to parental obligations and boo boo's.  Hard for me, and the kids, to establish a memorable routine when you're hardly ever in the same position or same side of the line.   

Just an example of O Line things that can absolutely "Limit" the size of your play book. 

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 08:44:37 PM »
Which is the life of the O-line coach.  You're the guy that gets to tell the HC/OC how much of his playbook is actually feasible and how much of it is just fantasy.

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Re: appropriate size of playbook
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 09:37:27 PM »
Which is the life of the O-line coach.  You're the guy that gets to tell the HC/OC how much of his playbook is actually feasible and how much of it is just fantasy.

Well there is truth to that.  My Playbook was 5 plays by the end of the year!  While I didnt say this to the kids, essentially it was Run like your ass is on fire and your head is catching!  I had one first year player, towered over and out weighed  99% of kids a year older than he.  Not fast, not slow, just needs Football 095 Education (Not 101).  He is my project.  After every play in practice, he required reassurance that he was doing good.  Truth, if he was able to get hands on you, you were toast.  Reality, more often than not, he didnt go the right way.  However, I really got tired of having to reassure him after every play.   I took him aside and said...Insert Name here, if you got in his way, if you moved him backwards or side ways, and That Guy, didnt make the tackle.......You done good!  Funny, after that, if his guy did mange to make a tackle he apologized! 

He's in 4th grade...Plenty of time to work with him.........and all the others too!  That Ah Ha!, moment will come eventually.  :)

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