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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 12:17:15 PM »
Those gaps are not that different than many offenses. Veer, wing t, spread.... 2' isn't much at all.

Agree, but at the youth level we rarely saw a "dedicated" offensive scheme.  If the splits were "large," it wasn't from a "power" offense (like Beast), but from a Spread offense.  Even the large splits in the Wing-T never gave us issue (their mis-direction could be a headache, though). 

The 4' to the outside is so far out that I don't think it effects the play.

It certainly doesn't affect our alignment.  We'll line up the same, regardless.

If you blitz those gaps and the backer is blocked there should be plenty of room to run through still.

Well, I guess that's the biggest issue.  If you can block my 'Backers with your linemen, then it's over for me, regardless.  But in youth ball, it's the rarest of teams whose linemen are better than an opponent's linebackers.  Even when we played poor teams, their LBs were better than my O-Line.

If you blitz the interior gaps the defender better make the play or it is off to the races.

Perhaps.  But even a missed blitz can still cause so much disruption in the backfield at the youth level that the damage is done.

I have never ran really big splits but I wouldn't blitz them. It seems like the thing to do but once I started looking at it and watching some film it seems like it is the exact wrong thing to do.

I don't like blitzing because it take a player out of position, but even at the high school level where we only played big-split spread opponents, we were successful with blitzing.  We had (statistically) the best defense in the league.

I may be wrong here and granted, I never had to line up against your D (man, I would of loved to put our offense up against your d, I think that would of been a blast to coach)

I think we were one game away from each other in 2008.  Regardless, you know how much respect we had for PSL, and you and Jeff.

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2017, 12:50:05 PM »


Well, I guess that's the biggest issue.  If you can block my 'Backers with your linemen, then it's over for me, regardless.  But in youth ball, it's the rarest of teams whose linemen are better than an opponent's linebackers.  Even when we played poor teams, their LBs were better than my O-Line.

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This is the biggest issue. If you are going to use mega splits then your OLM must be able to climb and do it well. I will be the first to admit that this takes a lot of training with no Fat Freddy's allowed.

The other issue we have is OLM "standing in the hole". At times they have no one to block so in turn they do nothing. For the life of me I dont know why this happens but it does.

One kid who could easily be the most dominate OLM on our team does this and was benched on O for most of the season due to this. He played mostly on the Defense.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 01:11:18 PM »
Those gaps are not that different than many offenses. Veer, wing t, spread.... 2' isn't much at all. The 4' to the outside is so far out that I don't think it effects the play. He has a fb in all the bigger gaps. If you blitz those gaps and the backer is blocked there should be plenty of room to run through still. If you blitz the interior gaps the defender better make the play or it is off to the races. I have never ran really big splits but I wouldn't blitz them. It seems like the thing to do but once I started looking at it and watching some film it seems like it is the exact wrong thing to do. I may be wrong here and granted, I never had to line up against your D (man, I would of loved to put our offense up against your d, I think that would of been a blast to coach), but after a bunch of thinking about it I think I would play it slow.

Wait, the "Wide splits" stuff that Mike is always talking about it 2 feet??? To me that's just a standard split. We have plays where we're up to 4 yards split. The pic below is showing a T, TE, Wing edge. TE is split about 3.5 yards.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
To DP's question about wanting the defense to widen out w/ us. We really don't care. If you let us outflank you, that's great as well.

When we run DOWN we open up our splits to about about 1 yard playside. A defense not adjusting at all is ideal. Gives us a fantastic angle. If they widen out, then we run trap.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2017, 01:22:58 PM »
These are our splits on DOWN. Same as for trap. Backside we compress to 3 inches.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2017, 01:24:15 PM »
Wait, the "Wide splits" stuff that Mike is always talking about it 2 feet??? To me that's just a standard split. We have plays where we're up to 4 yards split. The pic below is showing a T, TE, Wing edge. TE is split about 3.5 yards.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 01:27:30 PM »
Mike's mega splits are not Michael's.

This whole time I was picturing like 2-3 yards. 2' would he considered standard for us. When we're running sweeps & rockets we compress down to about a foot.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2017, 01:41:48 PM »
This whole time I was picturing like 2-3 yards. 2' would he considered standard for us. When we're running sweeps & rockets we compress down to about a foot.

Keeping in line with Clarks progressive splits was the thinking and used as the median. I think Clark goes 18" 24" 36" which is pretty standard for youths. so I went 24" 36" 48" as a median.

Smaller for the little dudes...bigger for the older kids.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2017, 01:46:20 PM »
Keeping in line with Clarks progressive splits was the thinking and used as the median. I think Clark goes 18" 24" 36" which is pretty standard for youths. so I went 24" 36" 48" as a median.

Smaller for the little dudes...bigger for the older kids.

By this measure, we've been running "mega" splits for 10 years  ;) I guess it's all just relative.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2017, 01:49:19 PM »
By this measure, we've been running "mega" splits for 10 years  ;) I guess it's all just relative.
Well when you go from 0-3 to 4 feet, that IS mega, lol.

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2017, 01:58:50 PM »
Well when you go from 0-3 to 4 feet, that IS mega, lol.

That's true. When you go from running zero split beast to 3', that's a big jump.

When we go beast it's zero splits. All we ran from it was wedge & buck sweep. Worked great. We averaged 7-9 YPC, & that was w/ an MPR line.

Buck sweep from beast works great. You just use the 1st sniffer to seal, then the next 2 sniffers act as guards. 1st kicks out, 2nd wraps.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2017, 02:07:39 PM »
By this measure, we've been running "mega" splits for 10 years  ;) I guess it's all just relative.

Yes you have....its a Wing T thing.  :)

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2017, 02:22:22 PM »
Well when you go from 0-3 to 4 feet, that IS mega, lol.

That is what we were faced with the first season we tried this craziness. I had always ran Beast foot to foot even with  the semi pros. All pre season we worked on our Wing T with 4 and 5 foot splits. last day before game one I asked my son what about Beast....he said lets put it in tonight and leave the splits alone.

Holy cow....the both of us were blown away during the game. Our Wing T was a mess for many reasons but Beast....100 times better. It was rather shocking.

That was Spring 2014. I have learned a ton since then.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2017, 02:40:16 PM »
Mike's mega splits are not Michael's.

We could never figure out how to cover an overload going Michael big.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2017, 02:44:04 PM »
We could never figure out how to cover an overload going Michael big.
I would like to hear what he has to say on that.