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Offline Wing-n-It

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2017, 08:51:57 PM »
I just can't see splits particularly well from the sideline.
In my experiences you would need a drone or film behind the O to tell how wide the splits are.

You cant tell. Besides most calls couldn't go in fast enough to alert anyone.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2017, 11:13:44 AM »
The other issue we have is OLM "standing in the hole". At times they have no one to block so in turn they do nothing. For the life of me I dont know why this happens but it does.
Isn't it obvious why?  Having to find someone to block is harder than just executing your steps vs. an opponent close to you.

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2017, 09:21:44 AM »
Isn't it obvious why?  Having to find someone to block is harder than just executing your steps vs. an opponent close to you.

It's one guy and we fired him from Beast. This is the kid that Mahonz posted an entire scoring drive and invited everyone to watch this one kid on every play. He literally hops around like he lost a toddler at the mall.

For everyone else, we rectified it by having them point at their guy. That worked until we ran into a side judge who flagged us for encroachment because our pointer fingers were in the neutral zone. Semi-final game, too. Rules are rules, I guess . . .
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2017, 12:18:28 PM »
So, on a side note... what is the advantage of this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
...........................R..H..Z
................Q

VS this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
.......................R..H..Z
................Q

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2017, 12:50:34 PM »
So, on a side note... what is the advantage of this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
...........................R..H..Z
................Q

VS this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
.......................R..H..Z
................Q

It all boils down to how you want to block the edge.

With tight splits R might have to help the short side so you want him closer.

With larger splits we like to have H kick out the long side because he has a better angle.

It basically comes down to what YOU want to do.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2017, 01:49:48 PM »
So, on a side note... what is the advantage of this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
...........................R..H..Z
................Q

VS this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
.......................R..H..Z
................Q

From my DW days, I've always had a WB 1x1 off the End - easier to see the first backer inside. I played around with it a little the last two seasons. Due to our splits, there was no advantage to having him out there. If anything, I let him "hide" behind the End, so when the End vacates . . . Surprise! H back in your face!
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2017, 03:13:15 PM »
I used this:

........O..O..C..O..O..O..O
.......................R..H..Z
................Q

Because on Dives (used over and over... almost entirely one game), it provides more blockers inside.  Other benefits are when running a Counter to the short side, (Q hands ball to H, R lead blocks, Q fakes the dive) it brings the R and H closer to the POA.  Another unintentional benefit... I noticed it can be difficult for kids to hold onto blocks for much more than one hit... so when running sweeps to the long side (after several Dives and the defense is cheating in) the Z will round the TE and seal off inside, the H will look for OLB and the R will lead to the Corner.  So placing these guys in this formation seems to give them a bit longer to get to their target, therefore they have to maintain that block slightly less time.

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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2017, 01:42:55 PM »
OK.  How would you guys defend this beast formation?




...O...O..OO0.O.O
      OOO
                 O

Those splits are:one foot per period.

And pretty much the same formation:

  ...O...O..OO0.O.O
O       OO
                   O
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 01:48:25 PM by DumCoach »
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2017, 01:59:55 PM »
OK.  How would you guys defend this beast formation?




...O...O..OO0.O.O
      OOO
                 O

Those splits are:one foot per period.

And pretty much the same formation:

  ...O...O..OO0.O.O
O       OO
                   O

Ill bite bc im curiously monitoring this thread

1.
-------f---------$
----c--b----m
-$-e-----t----t-----ec
...O...O..OO0.O.O
      OOO
                 O
Cover 0
M plays 3 man game with both t's
Strong side $ can flip with the end to create "buddy" and from there we just play dc46


2.
-----------f------$
$------b-------m
----c-e----t----t-----e-c
  ...O...O..OO0.O.O
O       OO
                   O
Same plan but we treat the wr strong as a rb and put a better athlete on him.

Basically i modified your old pro 43 into my 425.

If i figure out you only trust the ball in certain kids hands ill drop another body on the los. If you only have 2 kids you trust ill put 9 on the line and see what happends


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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2017, 04:41:04 PM »
OK.  How would you guys defend this beast formation?




...O...O..OO0.O.O
      OOO
                 O

Those splits are:one foot per period.

And pretty much the same formation:

  ...O...O..OO0.O.O
O       OO
                   O
.........$......F......C
.....B.........M
...C...E..T...T.....E...B
...5...O..OO0.O.6
......432
................1








................F.......C
C.....$..........M
.....B...E...T...T......E...B
.....5...O..OO0.O.6
4.......3.2
..................1

LLB- Backside pressure on #1.  Also, can pick up CRaB. Pass Rush.
LDE- Crushes #6 down into the G.  Helps with CRaB. Tracks down the line behind the O-line on runs away. Helps with CRaB. Pass rush.
LCB- Has #6.
Mike- Has #1.
RLB- Presses/Bumps #5

Everybody else is really there to make a mess of the running lanes and make tackles

All other DL's- Slant Right unless otherwise instructed.
Secondary defenders do their normal jobs.



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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2017, 11:34:59 PM »
Ill bite bc im curiously monitoring this thread

1.
-------f---------$
----c--b----m
-$-e-----t----t-----ec
...O...O..OO0.O.O
      OOO
                 O
Cover 0
M plays 3 man game with both t's
Strong side $ can flip with the end to create "buddy" and from there we just play dc46


Basically i modified your old pro 43 into my 425.

If i figure out you only trust the ball in certain kids hands ill drop another body on the los. If you only have 2 kids you trust ill put 9 on the line and see what happends

Response below.  I don't use the second formation so it's not included.
 
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2017, 11:36:54 PM »
.........$......F......C
.....B.........M
...C...E..T...T.....E...B
...5...O..OO0.O.6
......432
................1





LLB- Backside pressure on #1.  Also, can pick up CRaB. Pass Rush.
LDE- Crushes #6 down into the G.  Helps with CRaB. Tracks down the line behind the O-line on runs away. Helps with CRaB. Pass rush.
LCB- Has #6.
Mike- Has #1.
RLB- Presses/Bumps #5

Everybody else is really there to make a mess of the running lanes and make tackles

All other DL's- Slant Right unless otherwise instructed.
Secondary defenders do their normal jobs.

Blocking solution below.  I don't use the second formation so it's not included:
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 11:32:51 AM by DumCoach »
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2017, 01:24:43 AM »
Blocking solution below.  I don't use the second formation so it's not included:

Clark,

In your blocking solution, you have LT, Mike & FS just a bit out of place.  DLT is directly over the C.  Mike is lined up directly with #1- which, in this case, would put him behind the LT.  $ is directly behind RDE. F is supposed to be behind and slightly to Mike's right. However, I see that I screwed that up in my original setup.  So, ignore that.  Consider him to be behind Mike. 

It probably wouldn't make much difference in your blocking solution except that the DLT would be slanting into the gap vacated by the pulling guard.  C will need to reach block DLT unless the OLT can block back on him.  The rest of it would just be chalk warfare on my part. i.e... Can the backs make those blocks through the slanting RDE, blah, blah, blah, etc...
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2017, 11:35:41 AM »
Clark,

In your blocking solution, you have LT, Mike & FS just a bit out of place.  DLT is directly over the C.  Mike is lined up directly with #1- which, in this case, would put him behind the LT.  $ is directly behind RDE. F is supposed to be behind and slightly to Mike's right. However, I see that I screwed that up in my original setup.  So, ignore that.  Consider him to be behind Mike. 

It probably wouldn't make much difference in your blocking solution except that the DLT would be slanting into the gap vacated by the pulling guard.  C will need to reach block DLT unless the OLT can block back on him.  The rest of it would just be chalk warfare on my part. i.e... Can the backs make those blocks through the slanting RDE, blah, blah, blah, etc...

I have corrected the original and with the result that I dropped the second play.  I would not run that as per your correction.
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Re: Beast thread
« Reply #59 on: Yesterday at 10:26:02 AM »
Please forgive me if I've overlooked this 2 or 3 times, but...do any of you who use beast heavily mix in what might be called "beast middle" with beast right and/or left?  Beast middle would be a short (or very short) punt formation, with the line and blocking backs balanced.