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Offline COACH JC

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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2017, 04:58:24 PM »
Thats getting pretty deep Bob.  :P

Here is the deal....if you train up the first level of your D to go on the Ball and not sound then the Cadence is irrelevant.

Curious how realistic that actually is? You got NFL defenders jumping.

Also, let say most teams go on the same count every time. Is it more benificial to try & time the snap count for the 95% of times it will work, & just live w/ the 20 yards in penalties? Just be more responsible when it's 3rd/4th & 5?

Seems like you gain a bigger advantage being right 95% than being wrong 5%.

I operate w/ the understanding that 95% of kids are gonna go on sound, so I take cadence very seriously. I believe there is an advantage to be gained there, because i've seen it, & some of our own data has shown it.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2017, 05:06:17 PM »
Curious how realistic that actually is? You got NFL defenders jumping.

Also, let say most teams go on the same count every time. Is it more benificial to try & time the snap count for the 95% of times it will work, & just live w/ the 20 yards in penalties? Just be more responsible when it's 3rd/4th & 5?

Seems like you gain a bigger advantage being right 95% than being wrong 5%.

I operate w/ the understanding that 95% of kids are gonna go on sound, so I take cadence very seriously. I believe there is an advantage to be gained there, because i've seen it, & some of our own data has shown it.

Not very realistic when your NG jumps.  >:(

I will never understand that.

We do a lot of D drilling to include agilities using a cadence and a football on a stick. I'd like to think its helpful. I dont not have any data that says it does or does not. Been using a football on a stick for as long as I can remember...and yes we get dinged here and there.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2017, 05:17:54 PM »
Not very realistic when your NG jumps.  >:(

I will never understand that.

We do a lot of D drilling to include agilities using a cadence and a football on a stick. I'd like to think its helpful. I dont not have any data that says it does or does not. Been using a football on a stick for as long as I can remember...and yes we get dinged here and there.

To me, the bigger question is do you actually gain anything by going on the ball? Vs a team like mine, where we take the cadence to the next level, yes. Vs just about everyone else, I actually think you gain more my timing the snap.

We teach our guys to go on the guy over them, but I don't give them crap for jumping. If a team uses the same cadene 95% of the time, then essentially we know the snap count, which is a huge advantage & we should take advantage of it.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2017, 05:25:08 PM »
One of the reasons our D has been so dominant is because we know a few things are true of almost every opponent we face.

1: The snap count will rarely ever vary.

2: Teams will run to their strength 80% of the time.

3: Teams will pass to the right side of the field 80-90% of the time.

4: Offenses are predominately right handed.

You take this information & use it to your advantage, it really helps. Anything that contradicts that, is easily discovered via scouting.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2017, 05:25:50 PM »
To me, the bigger question is do you actually gain anything by going on the ball? Vs a team like mine, where we take the cadence to the next level, yes. Vs just about everyone else, I actually think you gain more my timing the snap.

We teach our guys to go on the guy over them, but I don't give them crap for jumping. If a team uses the same cadene 95% of the time, then essentially we know the snap count, which is a huge advantage & we should take advantage of it.

Are you using that rolling start thing this season?
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2017, 05:28:45 PM »
One of the reasons our D has been so dominant is because we know a few things are true of almost every opponent we face.

1: The snap count will rarely ever vary.

2: Teams will run to their strength 80% of the time.

3: Teams will pass to the right side of the field 80-90% of the time.

4: Offenses are predominately right handed.

You take this information & use it to your advantage, it really helps. Anything that contradicts that, is easily discovered via scouting.

Agreed so play the odds.

Makes we wonder why the UB SWnuts run their formations strong right. Im glad they do....makes it much easier to defend going one way.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2017, 05:33:28 PM »
Are you using that rolling start thing this season?

Yep. It's we practice it every practice as part of our dynamic warmups.

I used to try & gain advantages by "creating" new plays & stuff like that. Now I just try to find advantages in the areas nobody cares about. Used to be I could just outwork/scout everyone. Now many coaches put in a lot of time & effort. A lot of the top coaches have caught up, so I'm just trying to stay a step ahead anywhere I can.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #82 on: August 13, 2017, 05:36:13 PM »
Agreed so play the odds.

Makes we wonder why the UB SWnuts run their formations strong right. Im glad they do....makes it much easier to defend going one way.

If they huddled 3 yards from the ball, sprinted to the line, changing their strength all the time, we'd all be SCREWED.

/whispers/ this is what we plan to do this year. Tons of unbalance looks before youhave a chance to adjust your D. Our team is absolutely FLYING to the LOS right now.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #83 on: August 13, 2017, 05:41:11 PM »
If they huddled 3 yards from the ball, sprinted to the line, changing their strength all the time, we'd all be SCREWED.

/whispers/ this is what we plan to do this year. Tons of unbalance looks before youhave a chance to adjust your D. Our team is absolutely FLYING to the LOS right now.

Isnt that what made that on Far West Jets team so deadly at the PW Nationals a while back? 
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #84 on: August 13, 2017, 05:47:20 PM »
Isnt that what made that on Far West Jets team so deadly at the PW Nationals a while back?

Def a big part of it. Imo we're faster to the LOS than they are/were.

To me it's like, if the talent & coaching is =, how are you gonna win? 1: Luck. 2: Win the margins.
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #85 on: August 13, 2017, 10:44:18 PM »
Not very realistic when your NG jumps.  >:(

I will never understand that.
How does someone w your knowledge of athletics not get that?  He's picking up what he thinks is a tell.  If he's right, that fraction of a second he gains could make a big difference in his contest with the C.

Know where they use an irregular cadence?  The "Xmas tree" at a drag race.  That's designed to give no competitor an advantage.

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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2017, 12:39:30 AM »
How does someone w your knowledge of athletics not get that?  He's picking up what he thinks is a tell.  If he's right, that fraction of a second he gains could make a big difference in his contest with the C.

Know where they use an irregular cadence?  The "Xmas tree" at a drag race.  That's designed to give no competitor an advantage.

I blame Patrick Star when that happens.  :)
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2017, 07:48:09 AM »
If you're going to go that far, why not go all the way with, "One, two, three...."?
I don't think you understand what I was saying.

And to your post about going on the certain constantan of a word, they can and they do.

We have something called 12 perfect claps and it was done everyday of first week of practice.

When you say SEThit real fast and they are told to start their clap (movement) on the T of hit so the clap happens by the end of hit in unison, it can be done very easy.

You would be surprised how well they get it when a coach will NOT move on till they have 12 perfect claps in a row.
 
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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2017, 09:36:48 AM »
BTW, for those who say their players go on the "H" in hit, hut, hike, whatever...that's BS.  The consonant just modifies how you blow the vowel out your mouth, there's no such thing as a separate "h" sound in a 1-syllable word.  If you hear someone say "H", that's just heavy breathing.  The consonant at the end is just how you stop breathing, you could just as well signal, "Ha!  Ha!  Ha!" or "Ah!  Ah!  Ah!"

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Re: Cadence?
« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2017, 11:00:02 AM »
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