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Offline markhansen

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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2012, 01:28:19 PM »
You want to coach your son ? Get ticker skin. That's your only problem. Don't forget, even Bambi had enemies :)
This ^.

Especially if it isn't your call, but the staff as whole is making the decision.  Sorry your family in the stands has to hear about it but just because somebody says something doesn't make it so.

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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2012, 04:52:05 PM »
This story really doesn't have anything to do with anything, other than telling you that many people face these issues.

I have coached my buddies 2 kids for the last 6 or 7 years or so (different ages, different teams).

He is the head coach, but we are kinda of co-head coaches.  The choice to play his kids at QB is easy for us because his kids are head and shoulders above the other kids at almost any position, but especially QB  (probably D1 players - the oldest is already being recruited as such for major programs).  If he anyone complains I am more than happy to have the kids compete, nobody does because it's pretty obvious. 

When we didn't coach the kids early in their careers they didn't play QB.  Which can only be because of bias.   [How many D1 players do you think our small town program has?  Zero in its history of which I am aware.]   So they dominated at other positions.   Still my friend used to get really upset that they couldn't even compete for the QB position or have someone objective decide.   

The youngest one played tailback (7 & 8) and probably averaged 20 yards a carry, but would only get 5 or 6 carries a game.   He had 100% of their touchdowns through like 7 games.  They moved him off offense about 3/4 of the way through the season for some reason.  I think they said they wanted bigger RB's.  Once they moved him they went scoreless for the rest of the season I believe.  (I didn't see all the games, and I am getting the info 2nd hand from the dad.  I can tell you I saw 3 games or so and the facts do fit the narrative).   

This is a great kid with zero attitude.   His dad was pissed all the time about it and yeah he would make comments from the stands (which I don't agree with doing BTW).  I used to tell him, "Who cares?  They are 7 & 8!  He'll get his chance."
   
He was such a great RB for 3 years before we got him (7,8,9), I didn't know if I wanted to move him to QB.  But he is dual threat now and has been great there.  The older brother we got to put at QB when he was 11 and he hasn't looked back since.   He played DL, OL and LB from 8 ,9, and 10.   

Anyway, there is no real point to this story.  I am glad that we did get to coach his kids.  I don't think the oldest one would have been athletic enough to get a D1 scholarship at a position other than QB (not fast enough).   He probably could have for baseball if he focused on that.   The younger brother is plenty fast enough, but may not get to be big enough (for D1 QB).  We'll see how much he grows, I don't think he is as big as his brother.   He is twice as fast as he was and has a great arm.   

I don't  know if the oldest would have got to play QB in h.s. if he never played it as a youth player.    A lot of coaches just plug the kid in who has been doing it in youth ball the last several years.  Which is one of the reasons that coaches fight for those head jobs and stick their kids at QB.   

As it was he had a huge reputation coming into h.s. from his youth football days and was pretty much handed a starting spot.  Which he then solidified by showing off his cannon for an arm - the kid can throw through a cheerio at 50 yards and can wing it around 70 yards.  Plus, it doesn't hurt that he has grown to about 6-3 or 4 and is over 200 lbs as a sophomore. 

He almost won the varsity job as a sophomore over a 3 year all-conference starter and the coach told someone who told me (hearsay) that he did win the position.  The coach didn't want to bench his 3 year senior starter because he was afraid he might lose the team (again hearsay, take it for what its worth).






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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2012, 11:08:09 PM »
The best thing I can tell you is what I have done. We have a youth combine/try-out. From what we see from the player is what postition they will play base off of their skill set. This way if a parent or anyone have a question we can show why kids play whatever position. As for what side of the ball he plays. If your son is one of the better players on the team...then he need to be on the field as much as possible. We have a rotation where we can get every kid in 9 plays a game without hurting any scheme we run. (Thanks to Coach Cisar for that) I think it's crazy to not allow your son to play QB (if he's the best player for that position) because you're his Dad. People will talk regardless of what you do. When we spoke before it just seem like it too many rules and politics where you at coach. All of you should meet and let the kids skills do the talking. If he's best suited for QB then he should play that and on defense as well. Oh by the way if he's the best then he need to be playing FS or 1 if you're running the 5225. It would be a waste to have him at 5 where he only can impact one side of the field. (JMO) You want him at 1 or FS. If he will be your QB then move him to FS. I hope this help.
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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2012, 12:14:26 AM »
Thanks Coaches! And Coach Hayes, the D Coaches are fighting over where to play him as we speak. DB coach wants him at FS or CB (I think in the scheme 5225, would be a waste at CB, but not my say and I haven't even said anything to them about it), other wants him at 5. We have a monster at '1', big, fast and an absolute beast (9 yo, 5'3" 95lbs), he is willing to run through a wall for the DC. So, that is why they wanted him at '5'. We, like most of you face a lot of sweeps and we wanted sure tacklers on the outside.
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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2012, 10:55:36 AM »
Thanks Coaches! And Coach Hayes, the D Coaches are fighting over where to play him as we speak. DB coach wants him at FS or CB (I think in the scheme 5225, would be a waste at CB, but not my say and I haven't even said anything to them about it), other wants him at 5. We have a monster at '1', big, fast and an absolute beast (9 yo, 5'3" 95lbs), he is willing to run through a wall for the DC. So, that is why they wanted him at '5'. We, like most of you face a lot of sweeps and we wanted sure tacklers on the outside.

I remember you saying that before (not saying anything) and I think you should. You obtain this system for your team and they need to know where kids should go. No way would I waste a good play at 5 to lock a side down. I want him at 1 or FS. If you have a beast at "1" then your son should play FS. He can still kill seeps from that spot. Him and the "1" are the only ones that look in the backfield. So when he checks his assignment he can run alley and kill the play if not 1 yd. pass the LOS. Please don't let these coaches mangle systems for the sake of lack of understanding of the system. (JMO and I hope you didn't take it out of context.) If he's at FS he can cover and stuff the sweeps at the same time. Allow the 5 to take on blocks or blow it up in the backfield. Once the 5 take on the block your son and that 1 will kill that kid untouched with nothing but bad intent when they get there.
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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2012, 06:27:02 PM »
Great explanation Coach Hayes. I will definitely approach the coaches about it. As they currently want a big, fast kid who played MLB for us last season at FS this season. But doesn't the FS have to be a smarter kid in the 5225?
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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2012, 06:31:24 PM »
I have also decided to teach my son the techniques for all backfield positions. And refine his defensive skills. No need to hold his progression back so others can feel better about their kids.
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Re: Confused! How would you all handle this dilema?
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2012, 06:52:29 PM »
No need to hold his progression back so others can feel better about their kids.
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