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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2016, 02:10:43 PM »
Watch the games, see their techniques, it has to be taught.

Every offensive and defensive scheme has a technique at the core that has to be taught to maximize the scheme. Coaching matters but players matter more!
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2016, 02:20:16 PM »
Players are very important. They play the games. Coaches give them direction. I have always thought players win the games and coaches lose them. It lets me get better at what I do and gives them the credit for actually doing it.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2016, 02:21:39 PM »

This is the best part. I know you are dumb because there are five points not four and YOU numbered them 1, 2, 4, 3, 4 not the way the rest of the educated population does 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. You probably do not know this, your last section made my point for me thanks. also, you posted a video in another thread where your QB takes a snap and runs around the end and out runs the defense for a 70 yard TD only one block was made that effected the play. the tightend on the crashing DE. That was all your coaching wizardry, nevermind the fact that your QB is the fastest player on the field and outran the defense for the TD. Yep all coaching there.

Gee - sorry, I edited a few times, lost track of the numbers. Started with three. Didn't realize I got to 5 reasons you are wrong. I'm sure there are more, if that's any consolation.

And when have I EVER even remotely said I was one of those coaches. In fact, I believe in this thread or another recently I pointed out that Cisar could probably take our younger team and beat my team. And I just posted today that I have lost games with more talent. As for that video, I have not hidden the fact I think my top 3-4 players are among the most talented in our conference. That's the only way I'm going to win games. I own who I am, I don't pretend or offer to be anyone I'm not.

So yeah, I'm done with you. I explained myself to Mike as he asked me to, and you've shown who you are, so I don't need to help anyone out with that. I should have followed Michael's example and just let your responses speak for themselves. Actually I tried, but then Mike asked. Ah, well.  Lesson learned.

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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2016, 02:21:52 PM »
This was their RB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suzbVHxJZ7w

5'-8", 175 pounds.  He ended up playing rugby at Cal.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2016, 02:23:35 PM »
A coaches job is to maximise the talent on his team. When all things are equal, player talent wise, coaches are most important. There is no right and wrong in this conversation. It just depends on the scenario.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2016, 02:24:06 PM »
Players are very important. They play the games. Coaches give them direction. I have always thought players win the games and coaches lose them. It lets me get better at what I do and gives them the credit for actually doing it.

Great post. I have never won a game, I sure have lost many.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2016, 02:39:10 PM »
Gee - sorry, I edited a few times, lost track of the numbers. Started with three. Didn't realize I got to 5 reasons you are wrong. I'm sure there are more, if that's any consolation.

And when have I EVER even remotely said I was one of those coaches. In fact, I believe in this thread or another recently I pointed out that Cisar could probably take our younger team and beat my team. And I just posted today that I have lost games with more talent. As for that video, I have not hidden the fact I think my top 3-4 players are among the most talented in our conference. That's the only way I'm going to win games. I own who I am, I don't pretend or offer to be anyone I'm not.

So yeah, I'm done with you. I explained myself to Mike as he asked me to, and you've shown who you are, so I don't need to help anyone out with that. I should have followed Michael's example and just let your responses speak for themselves. Actually I tried, but then Mike asked. Ah, well.  Lesson learned.

You were so gung ho about coaches matter more. You brought up DP, PSL, and Cisar. I only pointed to the error in your thinking. News flash a healthy debate is all this is. I am not going to change your mind (even though you somehow are now on my side of the argument) and you are not going to change mine. Huh, you explained yourself to Mike? I do not know what you mean by I have shown who I am. If I offended you in any way, I apologize. The way you were ranting about PSL,DP, and Cisar I deducted you were one of those coaches. By those coaches I mean "Coaching only matters" coaches. I apologize.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2016, 02:40:30 PM »
This was their RB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suzbVHxJZ7w

5"-8", 175 pounds.  He ended up playing rugby at Cal.

That is one of their running backs and they played a little defense too.
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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2016, 03:07:14 PM »
Nah. I've won way more than that.

Yeah, but you didn't win because of the points you made.  You only won because you had a better computer.

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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2016, 03:13:22 PM »
You were so gung ho about coaches matter more.

First, that wasn't my point at all.  Never said MORE. That was just in your head. And NOBODY on here, including Cisar, says as an absolute statement that coaches matter MORE than talent.

You have been the one throwing out phrases like jimmys and joes more than x's and o's.  And that is simply wrong, and been proven time and again to be wrong.  I never said anything more or less than that.

To your credit, you've also said coaching matters, apparently we differ as to the extent.

And while I suppose you can say it's just all opinion, I will still come back to yours being pretty much wrong.


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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2016, 04:03:51 PM »
First, that wasn't my point at all.  Never said MORE. That was just in your head. And NOBODY on here, including Cisar, says as an absolute statement that coaches matter MORE than talent.

You have been the one throwing out phrases like jimmys and joes more than x's and o's.  And that is simply wrong, and been proven time and again to be wrong.  I never said anything more or less than that.

To your credit, you've also said coaching matters, apparently we differ as to the extent.

And while I suppose you can say it's just all opinion, I will still come back to yours being pretty much wrong.


There is this

Yeah you caught me coach-
For 19 consecutive seasons Ive had the best talented team in every league all 5 that weve played in-
Every single year- it was all coincidence
My last year in Omaha- all 3 of the age groups A level were won by my teams, NO team finished with more than 3 losses- all 16 teams
3 years later after I had left not a single Omaha team is over .500- pure coincidence-
So when I was there the talent pool was great, when I left it magically deterirotated
Even in year 1 right here a place 90 miles from Omaha- a place I didnt know existed and knew no one
A place where the local youth team the year before was ofer
A place where the local HS hadnt had a winning season in 10 years
We started out 26-0
Dominated the largest league in the area-
YEar in and year out- pure coincidence- when I got here the talent pool magically got better
Then Reno- a team that had won 6 games in 6 years
I show up and that same team now magically has the best talent  ::) ::) we make it to the Semis and score 418 points
Wow If I was this lucky I would have won the lottery 10 times over

He pretty much said it was all him, without actually saying it is all him.


Looks gung ho to me.
3.  His argument about youth football coaching saying it's the jimmys and joes is just flat out wrong. Talk to PSL - he's explained numerous times that their national championship teams were almost always at a talent disadvantage compared to orgs around them, and that's been corroborated by other coaches familiar with his team and the competition. They were a first come first serve organization, and his teams won when others in the org didn't. Talk to Dave Potter - he's TWICE walked into situations where he was taking over teams that had lost for years, immediately won big, and upon leaving they immediately went back to losing. Dave Cisar has a worst to first section on his site showing a number of situations where the talent didn't change, the competition didn't change, the coaches didn't change, but the scheme/process changed and they won. He did it in Reno - documented.  These are REAL LIFE examples.  Proof of concept, not some idiotic notion coming out of someone's head.

What is the point of the above statement? Looks to me as if you are making a case for coaching means more than players. How else am I or anyone suppose to think after reading that?

Then you post this.
It sounds like he's just a beast that you can't block. I would't accept that since you might face a kid like that. Double team him, something like that.  He's a good challenge for your O.  But like I said - I wouldn't be worried about his "technique" - that's just not something another team should be able to do to you or you have bigger problems.

And be glad he's on your team...

You are all over the place with this. Here is a question though, Who did more to win the battle? The General in the Command Center or the troops on the battlefield.

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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2016, 04:08:03 PM »
Never upset, this is an internet forum. I will never play a team coached by him. There is a reason why these discussions are always between the same people. Lurkers read what we post and some may shy away because of the extra stuff. We can all disagree and remain respectful.

Now I have to wonder...as much as we all complain about parents...I wonder if there are groups of parents out there getting together and talking chit about all of us on Dumcoach.  8) :D

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Re: How to teach blocking to the whistle?
« Reply #89 on: September 15, 2016, 04:28:04 PM »
Now I have to wonder...as much as we all complain about parents...I wonder if there are groups of parents out there getting together and talking chit about all of us on Dumcoach.  8) :D

All in fun....its just a game.....that makes everyone crazy.  ;)


They might be.
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