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If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:55:32 PM »
With some of the off-the-shelf systems that are available today...i.e. JG DW, you've got to figure that at some point you're going to encounter another team running the same system.  How much of a challenge does this present?
Do you stick with the same playbook or try to vary your attack (since it's likely the other team has a good idea of the series of plays you are going to run).


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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 03:30:18 PM »
 I keep running our plays based on how their defense plays us. If you execute it doesnt matter if they know, they still have to stop it.

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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 03:36:53 PM »
I keep running our plays based on how their defense plays us. If you execute it doesnt matter if they know, they still have to stop it.

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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 03:57:58 PM »
With some of the off-the-shelf systems that are available today...i.e. JG DW, you've got to figure that at some point you're going to encounter another team running the same system.  How much of a challenge does this present?
Do you stick with the same playbook or try to vary your attack (since it's likely the other team has a good idea of the series of plays you are going to run).

I have had a lot of my coaches go on to take over other programs or I moved on to other programs so I have had to face a lot of coaches that have been on my staff or coached with me.

I get my kids to give their best and execute the game plan and as coaches we work our butts off to prepare for what we expect to see.  Come game day we stick to our offense/defense and we read the triangle on both sides.

I have had to face off against a fellow coach 19 times and I am 16-3...the times I lost was by a margin of 3 points are less.

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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 04:18:36 PM »
great information gentlemen, thanks for the input.
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 06:52:57 PM »
I have had a lot of my coaches go on to take over other programs or I moved on to other programs so I have had to face a lot of coaches that have been on my staff or coached with me.

I get my kids to give their best and execute the game plan and as coaches we work our butts off to prepare for what we expect to see.  Come game day we stick to our offense/defense and we read the triangle on both sides.

I have had to face off against a fellow coach 19 times and I am 16-3...the times I lost was by a margin of 3 points are less.

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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 07:04:29 PM »
I keep running our plays based on how their defense plays us. If you execute it doesnt matter if they know, they still have to stop it.
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 02:42:56 PM »
At half time i challenge him to a battle of the toss or wedge... After slapping him with a glove of coarse

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No we would just play and let the cards fall
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 06:50:16 PM »
With some of the off-the-shelf systems that are available today...i.e. JG DW, you've got to figure that at some point you're going to encounter another team running the same system.  How much of a challenge does this present?
Do you stick with the same playbook or try to vary your attack (since it's likely the other team has a good idea of the series of plays you are going to run).

Back in 2002 I coached age 8-10 B
My program had 16 teams
We had 4 at that age group
I played 2 of those teams and beat them both

After I moved Ive played the Omaha programs teams maybe 5-6 times and never lost. They arent doing some of the advanced things we do- fundamentally we are better IMO

We played a team from Canada in 2010 who I had cliniced and were running our system. We won handily. When you run something for 16 seasons, you know where the stress points are.

In 2013 we expect to play teams from Chicago, Vancouver and Connecticut who are running our offense- it should be fun.
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 08:43:25 PM »
For those of us DW coaches, the plays and formations are similar if not exactly the same. But just as Belebuch said "if you execute it doesn't matter if they know..." And that is when the team who is the most prepared and fundamentally sound wins the battle and the game.

If you are running a session of "POWER HOUR" during practice, it doesn't matter what the other team does or tries to do! They will never have that many players on the field at the same time and even if you tell the other coach "Here it comes again!" they still won't be able to keep you from getting those 5 yards we cherish as DWingers.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 08:46:31 PM by Coach Davis »
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 10:27:33 PM »
irregardless of scheme it comes down to preparation and execution - both with coaches and players.  Not a surprise that both Jack and Dave can sell you their book and still beat you. 

A few years back we scouted a team using Dave's UBSW and I thought, "great! I've got his book."  That and we talked to the team who lost to them the weak before and they described losing on a last second play to backside TE.  We practiced and prepared and fought them hard and were up 12-8 with them driving in the fourth.  Last play of the game we're yelling to our CB to watch backside TE.  He got sucked up and they ran the same play as the week before and we lost.  Sometimes it doesn't matter what you know, it all comes down to what you can get the kids to do.

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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 10:32:20 PM »
I think some of the coaches on here could call their plays over the loud speaker and still beat you.



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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 11:33:17 PM »
I think some of the coaches on here could call their plays over the loud speaker and still beat you.
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Re: If you were playing AGAINST your own O-playbook
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2012, 07:47:13 AM »
We play teams ALL THE TIME who have my book and DVDs- have had smart a$$es come through the hand shake line with a curled up copy etc
Most of them have a bunch of game film as well- with about 100 teams in the league and many times 40 teams in an age grouping (7-8th grade only has about 20 teams) a number of the bigger Orgs have lots of teams in one age group= they film and share info between themselves etc
It hasnt mattered much, to put numbers to that premise- 139-20 so far as a HC
It's about fundamentals, execution and of course adjustments/countermeasures

We stick with the same playbook
BUT we use basic math to determine strengths and weaknesses, midpoint and edge counts as well as reading the POA key and another coach reading the complementary play key- to give us the most efficient play to run
We also know how to attack pretty much all of the youth defenses we will see: 4-4, 3-5-3, 46, 5-3, Split 6, WT6, 7 Diamond, GAM etc We also know how to countermeaure the most commonly used tactics and when youve coached the same offense for 160 games in 4 different leagues and lots of out state games- youve seen it all.
There are a number of formation adjustments, blocking adjustments and key breaker plays a lot of guys just don't run- we do, all in my Single WIng 303 Materials.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 08:41:46 AM by davecisar »
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