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Offline Vince148

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Inside runs off jet
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:18:22 PM »
My mind can always come up with multitudes of plays and formations making it very difficult for me to keep things minimal. Off wildcat jet type plays, what seems to work best for inside runs? I can think of inside powers, trap, dive, counter to go along with a PA pass. However, I don't want to have an overabindance of complimentary plays. The jet was one of our better plays last season, but I didn't use it as part of a series. My base is more of a hybrid single wing.

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 04:48:21 PM »
The best play that we enjoyed was the Belly or Blast off of jet fake. We also would have our back cut up inside as well with our jet play. The thing about the jet is that trap, belly, dive, or blast always worked well with it. Now if you have a stud at QB you can do all kinds of things to the defense that will give them fits. I would run a Jet Ride with my QB and Jet Back since you run a SW based looking attack. Have you jet back attack the edges, and have you youth QB ride the jet. When you see that you're getting flow the QB Blast/Belly/Dive would kill here. Now this forces the defense to keep the MLB out of your business. You're taking care of the edge w/ your unbalanced set. (Since you mentioned SW). Now what your staff have to look for is backside chase down (something that's not new to you) and what is the safeties doing. We scored plenty of times with belly off of jet when we tore of a long run outside. It was an automatic call when we break a long one. We would run hurry up and then we would ride the jet back from pistol and the QB would blast the belly. Then we would also off set the FB to get them movng more to that side. Now this is when we would look at the seam and attack via PAP.

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 06:26:25 PM »
My mind can always come up with multitudes of plays and formations making it very difficult for me to keep things minimal. Off wildcat jet type plays, what seems to work best for inside runs? I can think of inside powers, trap, dive, counter to go along with a PA pass. However, I don't want to have an overabindance of complimentary plays. The jet was one of our better plays last season, but I didn't use it as part of a series. My base is more of a hybrid single wing.
How deep is the back handing off to the jetter?

I've conceived a jet-dive-belly-spin keep cycle and slant trap series, but it's kind of the opposite of wildcat in that the formation has a pair of deep backs who can always be snapped to for single wing plays, but the jet handoff is from a back with hands under center facing where the jet back is motioning from.

The idea of the slant trap is like wing T scissors, where you use the same jet runner to slant behind the DLs who would be trying to catch him play side on the sweep.  The QB angles out from under center to meet him for an inside handoff.  It would be hard to do that from deep in the backfield, but maybe not impossible if your wildcat hander-off is not too deep.  Let's call your deep back the FB, and the jet back the JB.  Can you trap across the center with a guard or possibly a tackle?  Station that player on the side the JB starts from.  One set of plays is:
  • handoff to JB for end run
  • dive up middle by FB after handoff fake
  • same as above but trap, if you can
Another set of plays is similar, but instead of the FB diving up the middle, he dives for the B or C gap of the side the JB starts on.  But when he hands off, the JB instead of making an end run slants thru the center and continues to that side, following the same trap block as above if you can manage it.

But if your FB is too deep, the angle the JB would have to take for the slant run would be too sharp to be feasible.  The handoff has to occur pretty close to the line.

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 06:31:22 PM »
I'm pretty sure that Zach (Big C) would say the same thing here, and that would be to run trap off of jet motion. Personally, I had success with that play this year from our empty quads formation. As long as your QB is a runner (and he better be in the spread), then this play is great.
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 06:55:06 PM »
I'm going to use this look. The QB is 3 and a 1/2 yards back.

.......................Y..G..C..G..T..T............................X
...Z.................................B
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 08:30:32 PM »
I'm pretty sure that Zach (Big C) would say the same thing here, and that would be to run trap off of jet motion. Personally, I had success with that play this year from our empty quads formation. As long as your QB is a runner (and he better be in the spread), then this play is great.

Most of the HS coaches love running trap off of jet. I haven't installed trap, but every clinic I have been to guys always talked about trap off of jet. Now in empty it can be hell.
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 11:52:29 PM »
 I'm a deleware Wing T guy...when we install the Jet series, the Jet trap play is a must!! Two years ago(this year we were a better Belly/down team) we sprang a Jet trap 40 yards for a TD to a team that was selling out to stop the Jet....LB's already loosening up as the motion started.
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 12:58:22 AM »
I'm a deleware Wing T guy...when we install the Jet series, the Jet trap play is a must!! Two years ago(this year we were a better Belly/down team) we sprang a Jet trap 40 yards for a TD to a team that was selling out to stop the Jet....LB's already loosening up as the motion started.

those two plays are sick together. I like trap, but haven't installed it yet with my lil tikes. when you have a heavy flowing play as your base that trap can be hell. Coah Cox and Mcnew have been on me for sometime to install trap.
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 02:42:59 AM »
I'm going to use this look. The QB is 3 and a 1/2 yards back.

.......................Y..G..C..G..T..T............................X
...Z.................................B
...............................Q....H

It would be tempting to use Z as a vision screen for the snap, motioning him across in front so the defense doesn't see whether the snap was caught by Q or H crossing in front of Q.  Only trouble is, I can't see an easy way to integrate that with the jet handoff in your offense as it would be in mine, where B would have his hands under center and face Z as he comes.  If you moved Q, B, and H each a step to the left, so that Q & H "split" C and B could reach under, then you'd be running my scheme.  The snap goes down the middle between Q & H, neither catching it flat footed, but having to step into it, single wing style.  B hands to Z for the jet, and the snap can come very close in time to the handoff.  Below is a diagram of what I mean.  A belly handoff is shown, but that's off a fake of the jet, which I'm sure you can see as to how it works.  The guard is pulling wrong way to go with the counter step by the deep back on the left, who could otherwise take the snap for a power run to the right.


Here's another example of the sort of misdirection that should be possible:



In your formation, can C still snap to B from there by a short toss without looking?  If so, then the action I'd try would be motion across by Z, with the snap going either to B for the inside run, or to Q handing to either Z in front or H behind.  That way the inside run hits right away while the defense is still looking at the jet action deeper in the backfield.  The defender opposite C will see that he used his left hand to snap the ball to B, but the rest of the defense will be looking elsewhere.  Lots of single- and double-wing teams use a blocking back run like that.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 03:01:05 AM by Bob Goodman »

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 07:20:48 AM »
Since my offense does a lot of pulling, it probably makes more sense to use a trap instead of a blast or dive.

So a simple base jet series would be sweep to motion back, with power, counter, inside trap and PA pass.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 07:27:54 AM by Vince148 »

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 11:16:51 AM »
Trap is great.....if you can install it.....do so

Blast is good also....we teach out blast as part the seas at 4 (2 dbl teams at POA) wrap our weakside T through 4 hole along with our BB....our BB veers to left abd picks up backside flow, out T comes through hole veering to his right opening up the lane......

On trap, we pull our playside G trapping backside DT, lead up through 3 hole with our BB....QB keeps.....usually a big play if your qb can move.....

Hope that makes a bit of sense....


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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 11:26:19 AM »
We had success in this....


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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 11:51:36 AM »
The bit that irks me a bit about a single winger like Vince doing the jet by handing forward is that the ball is to be snapped to someone standing flat footed at 3.5 yds. depth.  It kind of goes against the single wing philosophy of "Snap and go!" as written by Adam Wesoloski.  In offenses like the single wing you'd usually be snapping to someone who catches it in stride, not waiting in place for the ball to arrive; however, it'd be difficult to have one player take the snap in stride and then hand it off immediately to another back in high speed motion as required by the jet or fly series, so you pretty much do have to be flat footed to present the ball at a reliable place for the motion back to take, especially with inexperienced players with limited practice time.  And you can't time the snap that closely to the arrival of Z when it has to travel that far thru the air to Q.  And then if you want Q to run, he's still flat footed after faking to Z, so you get a slow start.  That's why I'd rather have a back close to the line hand off behind him to the jet runner.

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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 11:52:04 AM »
Vince you might find something in here to be useful.
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Re: Inside runs off jet
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 04:50:15 PM »
Good stuff, guys. Thanks.