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Offline Aodaddy

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Offensive system help.
« on: April 29, 2017, 03:44:48 PM »
Any recommendation for an offensive system for a team that has smaller O-line, below avg qb and avg RB speed? Pop Warner Jr. Varsity, 12- 13 yr olds. Asking for a friend... 8)

Thank you for any help.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2017, 04:10:15 PM »
Any recommendation for an offensive system for a team that has smaller O-line, below avg qb and avg RB speed? Pop Warner Jr. Varsity, 12- 13 yr olds. Asking for a friend... 8)

Thank you for any help.
How were the players chosen for those positions?  Are O-line chosen for slowness?  Is QB chosen for throwing skill?  (I see no mention of receivers.)  Does it go by experience at those positions?

Ask if the friend is open to reassigning positions as suitable to the offense system chosen.  For instance, I like the system I partly installed in 2015, but I'd probably change some of the positions, and then I might alter things according to the special abundance or lack of certain talents.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 10:25:16 PM »
Sounds like my team!
We run the double wing...it works for us

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2017, 03:18:44 PM »
How were the players chosen for those positions?  Are O-line chosen for slowness?  Is QB chosen for throwing skill?  (I see no mention of receivers.)  Does it go by experience at those positions?

Ask if the friend is open to reassigning positions as suitable to the offense system chosen.  For instance, I like the system I partly installed in 2015, but I'd probably change some of the positions, and then I might alter things according to the special abundance or lack of certain talents.

The whole asking for a friend was a joke. I can move players around and we have WR.  I am trying to find an offense that is good for smaller players with out much talent or speed. Really want to get away from the double wing if possible.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2017, 05:13:13 PM »
Shameless pitch-

smaller linemen, avg speed in the backs sounds like you need:

deception
good blocking angles and/or
many opportunities to double team
the ability to run inside the Ts or to attack the perimeter either with
jet motion or
massed blockers


this all =

UBSW!

all you need are wedge/OT/Power Sweep/Z reverse/Zcounter/ half spin series(very easy to teach)

pass game you can do very well with 2 or 3 plays.
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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2017, 07:27:19 PM »
Just out of curiosity, why the hate for the DW?
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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2017, 09:02:12 PM »
The whole asking for a friend was a joke. I can move players around and we have WR.  I am trying to find an offense that is good for smaller players with out much talent or speed. Really want to get away from the double wing if possible.
Why do you want to get away from the double wing? Considering what you say you have to work with, it may be the best option.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2017, 09:38:13 PM »
Just out of curiosity, why the hate for the DW?

Honestly, I cant get any help coaching it and I am struggling because my other coaches dont like it.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2017, 06:20:08 AM »
in this case^^^

don't try the UBSW.  nobody likes that at first.  the DW is also just an awesome offense with many advantages, so i'm not sure why your ACs aren't on board with it.

are the the header?  if so, your ACs ought to be supporting you.  the best way for that to happen would be for you to explain your O/D, why you picked them, how and why you will practice them.  you all have to be on the same page, or once you get going, it will be a real mess.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2017, 07:06:47 AM »
Honestly, I cant get any help coaching it and I am struggling because my other coaches dont like it.

One of the best things about the DW is that you can coach it with only 2 people if it comes down to it: one to coach the OL and TEs while another coaches the backfield.

Beyond that, any of the "Wing" offenses (SW, DW, Wing-T) sounds like a good fit for the talent you've got.  They all recycle the same OL techniques so if you can teach 5 or 6 blocks and just have the kids recycle those, you'll be ok.  Those offenses don't demand a whole lot from the QB or backfield, either.

From the sound of things, it looks like you might want to start by just eliminating what you can't run well, so spread (no QB), shotgun or pistol anything (not enough speed), or, apparently, DW.  Dead T or a full house Wishbone/Power I offense might be good, but you'l probably get even more resistance than the DW.

If you're HC, it's up to you to to pick something even if your ACs don't know or like it.  They might want to run some flashy thing they see on TV, but that's not going to work here.  You need to pick what's best for your team.

I want to suggest SBV with one of your better athletes moved to QB to give you some running and ball handling (it works fine with an average OL and average speed), but I also would advise you to stay away from option football since you don't have much of a QB and it sounds like your ACs may turn their noses up at that, too.  There are a lot of details to the option.  You know your situation better than I do.

Try to move one of your athletes to QB, though.  "Below average QB" usually means "no QB."  You want a kid there who can give you something, even if it's just running the ball occasionally.

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2017, 08:04:16 AM »
Any recommendation for an offensive system for a team that has smaller O-line, below avg qb and avg RB speed? Pop Warner Jr. Varsity, 12- 13 yr olds. Asking for a friend... 8)

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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2017, 08:24:34 AM »
Ah yes the Ole "BORING" complaint. Heard it with the Wing and The I.   Boring

We struggled at first with the Wing and a bit with the I yet, both could score points and keep the other teams offense off the field. 

Funny how it seems to be "More Fun" watching footballs fly through the air, even when the QB and Receivers are not up to the caliber required to do so. 

If you let everyone else dictate you might as well let them be the Header. 
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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2017, 08:39:57 AM »
one guy in our org ran what he called the 'spread raid'.

he was a good guy.  he runs the local rec and some pay for play basketball programs.  but football, well...

anyway, since he knew all the kids, he basically picked the best athletes, and designed his 'spread raid'.  he made some pretty outlandish statements in preseason about what they were going to do.  i specifically remember him saying 'we won't be boring'-and he was right.  they threw tons of bubble screens, quick slants, and ran lots of jet sweep.

of course, picking all the best ball athletes meant he didn't pick too many linemen.  which worked well for us, we like linemen. 

anyway, his kids being the 'athletic elite' of the school were talking a lot of smak to our guys.  they are talkers by nature(i've coached most of them) and their coach encouraged it.  so we asked to scrimmage them.  we set it up and their mouths went into overtime for two days.

the first play they tried a bubble screen to the best athlete in the town.  my son was playing OLB, read it, picked it off(i might have watched their practices a little and given him a few tips) and went for 6.  it didn't get better for them, since when we had the ball they had nobody on the front 7 that could hold the line, and we proceeded to absolutely maul them.  they ended the scrimmage early, because their coach said he forgot they had to 'work on something'.

they didn't have a bad year, i think they went like 5-2.  but the games they lost, they got annihilated.  they weren't 'boring' whether they won or lost.  but when the shit hit the fan, they had nothing to fall back on. they either out athleted you, or they got killed.

personally, i love boring.  i'd love to have a drive that consists of 3-6 yd plays and lasts 10 minutes.  and that's what we try to create. 

if you start designing an offense for entertainment, particularly with the athlete set you say you have, you might end up with some long afternoons.  getting blown out isn't boring-it's much much worse.
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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2017, 08:43:33 AM »
It might be interesting to hear what other offensive concepts your assistant coaches want to run. Just for a good laugh.
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Re: Offensive system help.
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2017, 08:46:40 AM »
The WT is more multiple and modern  because of the use of motions, angles we give our olm and combo's  size doesn't matter. Because of the limited blocking schemes which at core is. #1. G Scheme=down down kick (Buck-down).#2. Power scheme= Double at P.O.A. AND KICK OUT EMLOS (Power, Ctr,XX).#3. ICE Scheme= is a double inside and big on big for everything past psg FB isolates 1st thing to show at 2nd level or dive back or wing can isolate or insert on fslber (Belly -Blast ).#4. Reach scheme which is universal fire step from tackle out were you teach all to hook'em stretch'em or wash'em fsg pull for psc ( jet- rocket- and full flow sweep). With those four schemes you can run a variety of plays you can hit every gap front side or back and you can blend backfield patterns and schemes if you get bored. I left trap out because i consider part of power ctr scheme except were attacking 1st man past center. The Hybrid Wing is youth specific system and has proven answers that been field tested at youth level from from ages 7 to 16. Pm  me if you would like to talk ball.
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