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Offline davecisar

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 10:00:18 AM »
The debate is not about if its good or not.  The real question here is:  Do you as a Youth Coach have the time to put this in place?  Is your QB or Receivers going to put in the time in the off season to maintain?  If your situation is anything like mine the answer to both is no.

So how do we ensure we get the most bang for the buck in the limited time we have?  Pick the core things you feel necessary and, just like any other position.  Rep it as often as possible.   

I am contrarian, I start my kids reading low to high simply because the short throw is higher percentage and because their arm strength needs to be developed.  by the time they are 7th to 8th grade I can incorporate the longer passes.  Mind you its not that I never attempt the long passes at the younger age levels, we do, just not as often. 

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Yes

As to R4- YOu dont have to put in EVERYTHING in order to dramatically improve your QB play
We ONLY use the fundys part

If you only have a coaching staff of 2-3 guys- probably NOT going to work

Or you can think out of the box and make it work

We have 1 Qb coach for 5- now 6 teams
He has 1 assistant- a guy in training- who is basically an apprentice- but can run some drills if the top guy is gone

#1- it works- your QBs get better- really good stuff
#2- You can use it as a selling point- if you have to compete with other programs for potential QBs

When it comes to who we throw to- it depends on age and ability
1) open-not open- run
2) open- not open- run- throw away
3) pre snap read, open, not open, run- throw away
4) post snap read, open, not open, second receiver, run, throw away
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 02:27:00 PM »
The debate is not about if its good or not.  The real question here is:  Do you as a Youth Coach have the time to put this in place?  Is your QB or Receivers going to put in the time in the off season to maintain?  If your situation is anything like mine the answer to both is no.

So how do we ensure we get the most bang for the buck in the limited time we have?  Pick the core things you feel necessary and, just like any other position.  Rep it as often as possible.   

I am contrarian, I start my kids reading low to high simply because the short throw is higher percentage and because their arm strength needs to be developed.  by the time they are 7th to 8th grade I can incorporate the longer passes.  Mind you its not that I never attempt the long passes at the younger age levels, we do, just not as often. 

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I believe I have the time to put anything in place. My time and commitment is never a problem. This is what Iím devoted to.

My 2 QBs (the backup is our starting X), our two other receivers (Y and Z), and my starting H back, are very talented kids and put in a lot of work throughout the offseason. Our offseason program doesnít officially start until March, but I have already been working with them. They all joined a flag league together on the same team, so I go to those games once a week and talk with their parents about how to improve. Itís a really great situation and Iím very lucky. Thatís why Iím looking for more material. These kids want to take the next step. The parents have bought in and are willing to do whatever it takes to help their child.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 02:31:51 PM »
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You bring up a valid point. The other issue is I believe in teaching this in steps so you don't get information overload. Too many youth coaches want to show all that they know instead of where the players are in their development. This is especially true with QB's. QB's need to be brought along slowly, you can crush them if you give them things to think about. That is not to say you don't add things as you go along.

One new thing we tried this season was Slide Step to the right then punch step, & Heel pop punch step to the left. It start as an experiment in July, soon become our standard. Better than me liking it was the QB's felt more power in their throws & it made things easier for them.
 Working with the Frosh QB the last couple of weeks this was reinforced for him, it made his throws more Varsity like.

Joe


Thanks Coach Joe.

This is actually my worry. Sure, I can just data dump on the kid and show him everything I know, but Iím sure that will be way too much on him. And I donít want to make that mistake. My starting QB is incredibly talented, dedicated, good size, he has the family support and financial status to go get the best training in he country. Iím not crazy, I donít think I have the best QB in the country. But at the same time itís very obvious heís one of the kids who will have the chance to play on Saturdays if everything goes right for him, and I donít want to ruin that for him by piling on too much too early.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 02:36:07 PM »
But at the same time itís very obvious heís one of the kids who will have the chance to play on Saturdays.

If you can tell that at 11 you ought to be coaching college ball my friend  :P
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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 02:43:27 PM »
If you can tell that at 11 you ought to be coaching college ball my friend  :P
Idk, I coached a good amount of youth players that I thought just that. For the most part I was correct. Only a few surprised me. One of the biggest common denominators was parental support. We have a good group from our 2011 - 2012 team that will most likely playing college ball within the next year or two. We agreed on a handful of kids and it looks like we were right to a man with that group.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 03:15:03 PM »
Idk, I coached a good amount of youth players that I thought just that. For the most part I was correct. Only a few surprised me. One of the biggest common denominators was parental support. We have a good group from our 2011 - 2012 team that will most likely playing college ball within the next year or two. We agreed on a handful of kids and it looks like we were right to a man with that group.
I will say the twins I coached this year have a good shot if they can get their academics on point. And I have already coached some kids who played for Joe this year who are going to college next year.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 03:38:29 PM »
Well for one age 11 vs 14 obviously a HUGE difference in terms of athletic development for boys so the picture becomes clearer.

And even then, I would assume we have all seen many instances kids are bigger / faster / stronger than everyone at younger ages, growth stunts and they are middle of the pack by end of HS. Flip side, we have all seen kids hit insane growth spurts at diff points in their teens.

For example when I was a freshmen in HS there was a QB in my class EVERYONE thought was going to play on Saturdays. Dad played at Nebraska - kid DOMINATED youth ball in basically every sport (football, basketball, baseball) through 13U then totally stopped growing - was a mediocre FS by Senior year. Meanwhile the "other QB" in our class who everyone believed would be relegated to mop up duty behind "the chosen one" for four years went from 6' to 6'5 as a Sophomore, added 40-50 lbs of muscle by Senior year and ended up being a 3 year starter in College.

The best player in our class was kind of pudgy, very mediocre as a Freshman. Soph year they kept him on JV and moved 5 other kids up who had developed faster. Absolutely dominated JV ball - by end of year was starting on Varsity while those other 5 watched. Even I peaked athletically as a Freshman - 11-12 receiving TDs in 9 games, 20 ppg basketball season - but stopped growing and was "too cool" for weight room - never got back to that level of dominance.

Just a couple examples but I have seen similar things play out many times over the years so I'm always skeptical about assessing the athletic future of kids and early teens. Then again maybe you guys are just top notch talent elevators and outta be getting paid a lot more!
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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 06:56:20 PM »
Idk, I coached a good amount of youth players that I thought just that. For the most part I was correct. Only a few surprised me. One of the biggest common denominators was parental support. We have a good group from our 2011 - 2012 team that will most likely playing college ball within the next year or two. We agreed on a handful of kids and it looks like we were right to a man with that group.

This is my thought. I qualified it with ďif everything goes right for himĒ.

I coach 11u football. The cutoff is July 31st. Over half of my team was 12 by the time the season ended.

We play football in one of the better youth areas in the country. Iíve seen the big teams from the desert pacific region, and Iíve seen the talent. There are kids who are clearly very good, and theyíre obviously athletes, but you can clearly attribute their success to good coaching.

Then there are other kids who regardless of the coaching have that clear cut natural ability that is levels above his peers at his age. Luckily for me, my QB is one of those kids.

And like Coach Rob said, the biggest thing is parental support. He has it. His family does not push him, they support him. He and he alone wants to be an NFL quarterback, and his family will support his dreams whatever they may be. They have the finances to send him to out of state camps all summer long. They all have the right level of dedication and the right attitude about it. He is a smart kid and has the grades. He has the natural ability.

If everything continues to go right for him, I wouldnít be at all surprised if he was playing on Saturdays. But Iím not an idiot, I recognize so many things can change between now and then. That doesnít make my original statement ludicrous

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 08:16:32 PM »


We play football in one of the better youth areas in the country.





Curious.

How does one determine this?
Collect moments, not wins.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 08:54:07 PM »
Not going to bash or get belligerent but, out of curiosity MB, how long have you been coaching? 

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #25 on: Today at 02:17:54 AM »
Curious.

How does one determine this?

By how the teams from our region compete at the national level

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #26 on: Today at 02:37:26 AM »
Not going to bash or get belligerent but, out of curiosity MB, how long have you been coaching?

Oh for not long at all, ESPECIALLY compared to you studs.  This is my first year as a header.

I coached as a positional assistant at my HS the year after I finished. I joined the army in 2010 bouncing around the country and coaching where I could, and before this team I was an OC with 3 different teams, at different age levels.

Sorry for the long answer, but since 2009, and this was my 5th year coaching. I don't doubt that you guys have significantly more experience and you may find some of my statements ridiculous but trust me, that's not because of my lack of experience coaching.  Im just a generally bold and hyperbolic person.

I can say with confidence we play against some of the best programs in the country.  Period.  We see the Chandler Bears every couple years. We scrimmaged the Phoenix Bandits preseason.  Next year were going to San Diego as an organization and having a 2 day jamboree with teams from LA and SD.

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Re: R4 Passing System
« Reply #27 on: Today at 09:18:35 AM »
MB if you can get your kids to dedicate to working on their skills in the off season I'm happy for you.

At the Junior High Level there are far too many AAU Basketball players hoping to be the next 5'10" NBA Point Guard or Tiny Forward.  OR  They are tossing 1,000 pitches in January, February, and March hoping to avoid Tommy John surgery by age 16 or 17. 

In short the most physically demanding sport gets no attention until 3 weeks before the season starts and, God forbid, the season goes beyond Open Gym for Basketball try outs.  Who has time for Football???   SIGH  :(
 
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