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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2017, 02:36:05 PM »
The really funny part is that the "block somebody" coaches can't even get their kids to actually block somebody, even if it has nothing to do with any scheme.

Kids don't need some fancy "scheme". They just need to get after it. Or so I've heard (many, many times).
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2017, 02:39:18 PM »
different than what they are seeing. Its easy to block when its base D. when they add blitzer or and a nose its causing hesitation.

We have always taught that a walk up blitzer is making it easy for us. He might as well be wearing a sign that says "Block Me!", or a bumper sticker that says "Somebody". ;)
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2017, 02:40:40 PM »
I run my O-Line drills with a defensive coach coaching the defender whenever possible.  And I the defenders get a lot of leeway in how they can line up.

I hate seeing coaches give their guys the easiest look possible and never anything else.

You and Mahonz must have gone to the same "Scout Defense" school, then. I call it the "spaghetti defense".
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2017, 07:37:25 PM »
The longer I do this, the more convinced I am, I have to have a blocking system that accounts for everything and the who is not really ever in question. The technical side is a season long deal. If I teach steps, footwork, and kids are confused on who to block, I am wasting time. The "getting after it", the "aggression" comes when kids know what they are doing. I am sure I am wearing the tin foil hat on this but whatever.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2017, 10:34:04 PM »
The longer I do this, the more convinced I am, I have to have a blocking system that accounts for everything and the who is not really ever in question. The technical side is a season long deal. If I teach steps, footwork, and kids are confused on who to block, I am wasting time. The "getting after it", the "aggression" comes when kids know what they are doing. I am sure I am wearing the tin foil hat on this but whatever.

You can spend all day teaching Who and then watch them chase that person all over the field!  You can spend all day on Technique and still watch them chase the same guy all over the field. You can spend all day teaching them Theory and watch them fail in Application.

Bottom line is you have to establish a Baseline, no matter how long it takes.  All the Rules, Covered and Uncovered, and Counting, means nothing if they cannot execute same.  I love aggression yet its worthless if the kid is supposed to block #52 but goes after #87 because he mad him mad the last play.  One would think a Down Block is fairly easy to execute but, a kid is fixated on the Combination block used for One Play.   How, Who, and Why, are all important to know.  Feed the masses only that which they can understand and accomplish.  Adjust all else to same!  That is unless your WB or RB has Usain Bolt as their father.   If the kid is half as fast as his Dad.........Who needs blocking??  LOL     :P
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2017, 07:59:54 AM »
The longer I do this, the more convinced I am, I have to have a blocking system that accounts for everything and the who is not really ever in question. The technical side is a season long deal. If I teach steps, footwork, and kids are confused on who to block, I am wasting time. The "getting after it", the "aggression" comes when kids know what they are doing. I am sure I am wearing the tin foil hat on this but whatever.
I've got a bunch of tin foil hats. They're cool because you can fashion them into all kinds of shapes. Give them viking horns, halos whatever. Just like many youth coaches who coach based on what was done back when they played there are things discussed on this board that are accepted as the gospel that will soon be archaic. We did things so differently back in the day at PSL but strangely much of it is gaining traction.

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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2017, 01:42:55 PM »
You can spend all day teaching Who and then watch them chase that person all over the field!  You can spend all day on Technique and still watch them chase the same guy all over the field. You can spend all day teaching them Theory and watch them fail in Application.

Bottom line is you have to establish a Baseline, no matter how long it takes.  All the Rules, Covered and Uncovered, and Counting, means nothing if they cannot execute same.  I love aggression yet its worthless if the kid is supposed to block #52 but goes after #87 because he mad him mad the last play.  One would think a Down Block is fairly easy to execute but, a kid is fixated on the Combination block used for One Play.   How, Who, and Why, are all important to know.  Feed the masses only that which they can understand and accomplish.  Adjust all else to same!  That is unless your WB or RB has Usain Bolt as their father.   If the kid is half as fast as his Dad.........Who needs blocking??  LOL     :P
everything you mentioned starts, in my book, with who to block...then you get into the minutia. Against the 2 pct rule, even bolt cannot save you.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2017, 02:28:50 PM »
everything you mentioned starts, in my book, with who to block...then you get into the minutia. Against the 2 pct rule, even bolt cannot save you.
We always went with teaching who before how but tried to mix the two into the drills as much as we could.

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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2017, 03:09:28 PM »
I love aggression yet its worthless if the kid is supposed to block #52 but goes after #87 because he mad him mad the last play.

Maybe 87 could use an ass-kicking.

I always laugh at the coaches who think technique and aggression are worthless if you block the wrong guy.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2017, 03:27:55 PM »
i was always taught(and teach) if you don't know who to block, then pick a guy and go after him.  hard.  fast, hard mistakes can be tolerated, indecision cannot.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2017, 03:54:10 PM »
Maybe 87 could use an ass-kicking.

I always laugh at the coaches who think technique and aggression are worthless if you block the wrong guy.
well if you lose three yards and your line have perfect technique? who gives a spit.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2017, 04:04:22 PM »
The longer I do this, the more convinced I am, I have to have a blocking system that accounts for everything and the who is not really ever in question. The technical side is a season long deal. If I teach steps, footwork, and kids are confused on who to block, I am wasting time. The "getting after it", the "aggression" comes when kids know what they are doing. I am sure I am wearing the tin foil hat on this but whatever.

Teach them to block gaps and angles, not men or acronyms.  Just like a defense, blocking schemes and pass protections need to be gap sound.  If you can't draw it up against air and not know who is going where on his first 2 steps, you're in trouble.

All the classic schemes that have stood the test of time and become popular really break down to this eventually: power, counter, inside zone, outside zone, iso, buck sweep, etc.  Follow your track, block the first thing in that track.  Simple.  People teach those things with different rules and with different nuances and "what ifs," but that basic idea is what's under the hood.  Strip things down to the base.

Eye discipline" is crucial to picking up post-snap movement.  A lot of people forget those defenders move after the snap.  You may not block everyone, but your 5 guys will have an easier time blocking the 5 most dangerous ones.

You can sometimes fudge things a little bit on the backside or outside of a super quick hitter like wedge or trap, but not by much.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2017, 04:07:03 PM »
Teach them to block gaps and angles, not men or acronyms.  Just like a defense, blocking schemes and pass protections need to be gap sound.  If you can't draw it up against air and not know who is going where on his first 2 steps, you're in trouble.

All the classic schemes that have stood the test of time and become popular really break down to this eventually: power, counter, inside zone, outside zone, iso, buck sweep, etc.  Follow your track, block the first thing in that track.  Simple.

Eye discipline" is crucial to picking up post-snap movement.  A lot of people forget those defenders move after the snap.  You may not block everyone, but your 5 guys will have an easier time blocking the 5 most dangerous ones.

You can sometimes fudge things a little bit on the backside or outside of a super quick hitter like wedge or trap, but not by much.
if a blocking scheme doesn't allow for your players to adjust to whatever they see, all the technical stuff will prove worthless at some point.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2017, 04:17:21 PM »
if a blocking scheme doesn't allow for your players to adjust to whatever they see, all the technical stuff will prove worthless at some point.

Yes.

That is why I like this: it fits whatever you see.  If it doesn't, due to the defense being gap unsound (which we see at times, too), then the defense is blatantly exposed elsewhere so you just need to find that and hit them there.  Don't attack walled cities or ignore open ports in a storm.

When I figured this out a few years ago, I felt like Neo seeing the Matrix.  A few years of coaching it have proven me right.

I've tried explaining this on here and people flip out and don't get it, but trust me, it works and it really takes a lot of thinking out for the kids.  You could build an entire offense that attacks all parts of the field just off the way we run Inside Zone with a few very simple blocking adjustments that still build off the core concept.  Speed Option, Counter, Inverted Veer to attack the outside, Iso, etc.--it's all there with maybe 1 tag that tells the BST and maybe BSG to step and block out to the other gap.

It's when coaches don't understand how defenses HAVE to work in order stop the run consistently, or get caught up on the superficial aspect of "how are they lined up now" and focus a lot on chasing ghosts that it gets complicated.  The defense has to put a man in each gap.  The LBs have to fill.  If they don't do that, they are exposing themselves.  It works itself out.

Now, the magic blocking scheme that automatically makes your kids more talented and guarantees a TD every time, I'm still working on that.
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Re: Teaching linemen to Block
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 04:21:04 PM »
Yes.

That is why I like this: it fits whatever you see.  If it doesn't, due to the defense being gap unsound (which we see at times, too), then the defense is blatantly exposed elsewhere so you just need to find that and hit them there.  Don't attack walled cities or ignore open ports in a storm.

When I figured this out a few years ago, I felt like Neo seeing the Matrix.  A few years of coaching it have proven me right.

I've tried explaining this on here and people flip out and don't get it, but trust me, it works and it really takes a lot of thinking out for the kids.  You could build an entire offense that attacks all parts of the field just off the way we run Inside Zone with a few very simple blocking adjustments that still build off the core concept.  Speed Option, Counter, Inverted Veer to attack the outside, Iso, etc.--it's all there with maybe 1 tag that tells the BST and maybe BSG to step and block out to the other gap.

Now, the magic blocking scheme that automatically makes your kids more talented and guarantees a TD every time, I'm still working on that.
But talent in many cases is over done. In many cases, most cases, if you can get a hat on the correct people,you have a chance. Jimmy and Joe matter, but it is nowhere near the end game, just part of it.
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