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Offline CoachB

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What Offense would you run?
« on: October 06, 2017, 10:07:28 PM »
If you could choose an offense to run for K-3 Flag, 4th-6th grade "Introductory tackle with a required 5-2 defense" and 7/8 Tackle with no defense requirement but runningbacks are required to be under 135, Tight Ends under 145, no weight limits on defense.

What would you run for an offense?

Would any of this change if you had the chance to also use the same offense/defense at the high school level keeping this same offensive system going from K-12?

What makes this such a good offense to run all the way through from K-3 Flag, to 7/8 Full tackle (maybe even High school?)


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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 07:57:10 AM »
What would you run for an offense?

I would run the scheme that I knew best.  There is no best scheme.  If there were, then everyone would run it.  Certainly at the younger levels, a more ground-based attack makes sense when you consider their abilities to throw the ball.  But running a "same scheme" throughout an entire org has not proven to be more beneficial than each team running individual approaches.  This question gets asked a lot and I'm sure you will find answers that  better suit the response you were looking for, but honestly the Single Wing is no "better" than the Double Wing and the Double Wing is no "better" than the Flexbone, etc.  However, there are certain aspects to offenses that one should consider:  At what player ages are YOU comfortable with in teaching/executing the passing game?  The Option game?  There is such a huge difference between the K-3 game as opposed to the high school game that trying to find a system that translates well to both is foolhardy.

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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 10:19:52 AM »
But running a "same scheme" throughout an entire org has not proven to be more beneficial than each team running individual approaches. 
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If you can only get some of these HS HCs to understand that. I went through that a little bit this year again when we had a meeting with the HS coach in August. He wanted us to run their "system" even though he knows that he plays 8-man and we play 11-man. I told him that I can do similar concepts, but we can't run the same thing.
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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 12:49:02 PM »
Yea. I was just thinking with the mandated weight limits there might be something advantageous one place or another. Our defense has no weight limits and our offense is limited to 145 for TEs and 135 for all backs that receive the ball behind the line of scscrimmage.
At the 4/5/6 level they're required to run a 5-2 with no blitzing LBs and they're required to go head up on the Oline for the Dline they also have a 105 and 110lb weight limit for Backs and TEs respectively.

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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2017, 02:39:58 PM »
Just focus on what you know best, as has been said.

These levels are so different that it's hard to find too much overlap, especially with the specifics for each one that were given, outside of fundamentals.

Running the same thing from kindergarten through varsity is usually just a vain thing on behalf of the varsity coach to make it all about them so they can just plug freshmen in and not have to teach them anything.  It's great when lower levels want to do it, but the important things are that they keep players out, make football fun, and teach fundamentals.

If you're a HS coach, hopefully they stress the key fundamentals that the varsity team uses (like down blocking if you're a Wing-T or gap scheme offense), but even then, that's not a huge deal.  We'd love to help clinic the youth HCs and ACs on how to teach things the way we know how to teach them and provide whatever support we can.  At the end of the day, they can use whatever plays, terminology, etc. they want to or need to in order to make things work.

Very, very few HS teams will still be running the same offense for 5-13 years later when these kids are actually there, anyway.  A lot of them will have gone through 3 or 4 coaches and who knows how many offenses by then.

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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 07:34:49 AM »
There isn't any magic bullet offense.

I hate playing against any offense that knows how and who to block, that doesn't turn over the ball, and can get their best player the ball consistently.



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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 12:16:24 PM »
If you could choose an offense to run for K-3 Flag, 4th-6th grade "Introductory tackle with a required 5-2 defense" and 7/8 Tackle with no defense requirement but runningbacks are required to be under 135, Tight Ends under 145, no weight limits on defense.

What would you run for an offense?

Would any of this change if you had the chance to also use the same offense/defense at the high school level keeping this same offensive system going from K-12?

What makes this such a good offense to run all the way through from K-3 Flag, to 7/8 Full tackle (maybe even High school?)

The Wing T.

Minimum player friendly.

Progresses very nicely from simple simple to quite advanced. I refer to it as a Lego Offense.

Lots of kids can touch the football.

Only as coaching intensive as you make it since there are probably 900 possible plays.  ???

Proven on grass.

Fans understand it.



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Re: What Offense would you run?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 01:15:34 PM »
The Wing T.

Minimum player friendly.

Progresses very nicely from simple simple to quite advanced. I refer to it as a Lego Offense.

Lots of kids can touch the football.

Only as coaching intensive as you make it since there are probably 900 possible plays.  ???

Proven on grass.

Fans understand it.

There's a pretty good small school Wing-T HS program in our state that I used to coach against.  Their MS and Youth levels all run the Single Wing because the blocking and ideas are so similar, but it's just simpler for them to teach the younger kids.  The lower level kids can handle it and it makes for a smooth transition to varsity.