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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2018, 03:37:44 PM »
What do you consider "done right?"
Because if you need kids (from the time they're 8-years old (or whatever)) to learn a particular way of doing things so that they'll be more effective when they reach high school, then no one who's endured a coaching change, scheme change, system change would be successful when the new sheriff and a completely new way of doing things arrives, and any kid who arrived "brand new," without the benefit of a decade of "the system" would be at a disadvantage and lost at sea.

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Well, what I would consider done right is the way I described that school doing it. 

Is it an ideal way to approach things?  Probably not.  You need the perfect storm of ingredients from youth coach buy-in, high school coach continuity and several other factors to line up properly.

All I'm saying is it CAN be done.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2018, 04:50:10 PM »
All I'm saying is it CAN be done.

And what I'm asking is, "Why would you want to?"  Just because you could devise something like that, doesn't mean it's the most efficient way of building a program.  I've had players on the same team who had never played for me, while others had.  One was no better than the other for having done so (or not).  I didn't need them to have a decade-long system implementation to teach them, or for them to be successful.  Nor have I seen that players are better off for having played several years for me, as opposed to playing only one.  Players who ran the Double Wing were no more advanced than players who'd never run it.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2018, 04:57:49 PM »
Our Header Never insisted that we Run his Offense "Lock, Stock, and Barrel".  We do attempt to use similar terminology and yes, I have run his Base Material.  However , I am not looking for a QB that will be the starter at the High School Level.  I am looking for one to run our offense.  I guess I happened to "pick right" more often than not.

Its not a Perfect Science, especially  if you are holding 8-14 year old kids to a "Model or Perfect Prototype" Standard.   The criteria has been laid out quite well by several folks already.     

The statement "Best Available" comes to mind when making the decision as to who runs your Offense. 
« Last Edit: December 06, 2018, 09:03:19 PM by Dusty Ol Fart »
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2018, 06:15:07 PM »
I work in a town whose program does this.  Youth to Varsity = Wing T.

They have been that way since at least the 1990's.  I played against them then. I've watched my nephew play their youth teams in the last 6 years.  I just watched my local high school play them this season.  They have had a few different coaches over the years. But this process has remained.  They had a few down years where they were around .500 or so.  But outside of that, they are typically fighting for a playoff spot.

So to say it means nothing, is not exactly accurate.  Sure, it means nothing if the people in charge of each level are dummies, stubborn, won't buy in, etc.  But if done right, it can be effective.

I think that the success of programs like that tends to have less to do with the offense they run and more with the culture they have from the youth leagues all the way up through varsity.  Otherwise, as has been said, anytime there's a coaching change or system change, it would be a disaster.

I coached against a very successful small school who does this.  Their youth and MS programs all run Single Wing to make execution easier, then Varsity runs Wing-T and introduces some ball handling.  They are very good, but a big part of that is because they emphasize fundamentals and their kids start lifting in 6th grad and are usually about as big and strong as other teams' upperclassmen by the time they get to 9th grade.  There's also a ton of tradition and and expectations in that town that kids grow up with, which helps to keep them motivated and striving to win championships.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2018, 10:00:30 PM »
I think that the success of programs like that tends to have less to do with the offense they run and more with the culture they have from the youth leagues all the way up through varsity.  Otherwise, as has been said, anytime there's a coaching change or system change, it would be a disaster.

Agree, 100%.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2018, 10:14:46 PM »
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I coached against a very successful small school who does this.  Their youth and MS programs all run Single Wing to make execution easier, then Varsity runs Wing-T and introduces some ball handling.  They are very good, but a big part of that is because they emphasize fundamentals and their kids start lifting in 6th grad and are usually about as big and strong as other teams' upperclassmen by the time they get to 9th grade.  There's also a ton of tradition and and expectations in that town that kids grow up with, which helps to keep them motivated and striving to win championships.


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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2018, 07:17:13 AM »
When Bobby Bentley was at Brynes HS in SC, he insisted everyone run his system from youth. He was very successful, but he gave of himself & his time in order to help everyone understand how to install, coach, & run his system. He also insisted that every team have at least 3 QB's.

Personally I am not a fan of telling the Youth Program what to run. There are way too many variables. If you were going to do it then the way to be successful is to follow the Bentley model.

Choosing a QB is so much more of an art than it is a science. Often the measurables mean nothing. What really matters is what fits this team at this time.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #82 on: December 06, 2018, 04:16:19 PM »
Our local paper just published a quick interview with Trevor Lawrence, who was born here and still has a lot of family in our area.

One of the quotes: "I first played football when I was 6, and I played on the offensive line. I was playing with 8-year-olds, and I was the smallest guy, so they didnít know that I could throw the ball or anything like that ... so I was on the offensive line. That was on a rec league team in Cartersville, Georgia. The next year, I started playing quarterback, and thatís what Iíve done pretty much since then.Ē

It's funny that a guy who's now being talked about as one of the most naturally talented QBs to come along in years and a guy many expect to win a Heisman trophy before graduates started his playing "career" as a 6 year old offensive lineman.

It fits perfectly with what so many people have said about how their youth QB isn't always a QB when he gets to HS, and how so many successful HS QBs played different positions as youth players.
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #83 on: December 06, 2018, 05:17:19 PM »
Our local paper just published a quick interview with Trevor Lawrence, who was born here and still has a lot of family in our area.

One of the quotes: "I first played football when I was 6, and I played on the offensive line. I was playing with 8-year-olds, and I was the smallest guy, so they didnít know that I could throw the ball or anything like that ... so I was on the offensive line. That was on a rec league team in Cartersville, Georgia. The next year, I started playing quarterback, and thatís what Iíve done pretty much since then.Ē

It's funny that a guy who's now being talked about as one of the most naturally talented QBs to come along in years and a guy many expect to win a Heisman trophy before graduates started his playing "career" as a 6 year old offensive lineman.

It fits perfectly with what so many people have said about how their youth QB isn't always a QB when he gets to HS, and how so many successful HS QBs played different positions as youth players.

I coached 11U in 2016 and that season Texas quarterback David Ash helped out at a few of our practices. Two of my linemen were quick to let him know they had hoped to play quarterback that season, not line.

Their eyes popped when Ash told them he was a tackle all through Pop Warner and some junior high, and that many of the QBs he came up with in HS, college, camps, training, etc., also played line when they were young.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2018, 09:12:22 PM »
Honestly, I pictured most of my QB's at Corner, Safety or OLB in High School.  I had one play Guard and ISLB in HS. 

Hell my Center/RT played Full Back his Senior year. 
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2018, 08:39:59 AM »
I think often where problems arise is when a coach chooses his son to play QB. It doesn't matter if it's a correct choice, or the best for the team.

Coaches who don't have a child on the team aren't restricted like this.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2018, 10:18:03 AM »
When Bobby Bentley was at Brynes HS in SC, he insisted everyone run his system from youth. He was very successful, but he gave of himself & his time in order to help everyone understand how to install, coach, & run his system.

And if Bobby Bentley was going to be coaching everyone from youth, I'd be all it.  However, too many coaches vacillate on the original instruction and then come up with reasons (i.e., excuses) as to why they couldn't make it work ("We couldn't pull the Tackle because..."  "We couldn't run motion because..." "Our o-line coach didn't like teaching it that way because...") and before you know it, you're not really running what was supposed to be taught.  I've given clinics to individuals, teams and orgs.  Many are excuse-makers as to "why we can't."  The only coach on the planet who's going to teach our approach the way that I teach it, is me. 

Do you want to teach QBs, or would you rather tell another coach how to teach them and then see how efficient he is at doing it?  No, you'd rather coach the QBs yourself.  However, IF you decided to allow the other coach to handle it, if he's on your staff, you can still observe and step in.  On the other hand, if they practice at a different location AND you're not actively involved with what they're doing, I think it's more work for little (if any) benefit.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2018, 10:31:31 AM »
I think often where problems arise is when a coach chooses his son to play QB. It doesn't matter if it's a correct choice, or the best for the team.
Yes.  Iíd add RB to that list, too, especially on younger teams.  It sends up quite a skunkspray.

I learned a long time ago coaching isnít a popularity contest, but I also learned parents are emotional creatures who donít watch games and practices.  They watch what happens inside a 5-yard halo around their kid and see very little that happens outside it.  They also only see what happens, not what was supposed to happen (or not happen), and when it comes to protecting her cubs, mama bears can be just as vicious as dad.  Some are way worse.


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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2018, 11:29:52 AM »
Years ago I had a player come from another organization. They stopped at 13, we were 14U. His father had been his coach & he always played QB. We needed a QB so I was thinking good fit. After 1 practice I knew he wasn't a QB, but would be one really good TB. Well Daddy was quite upset, telling me I didn't know my butt from a hole in the wall.

Needless to say at the Natty, Daddy came up & told me I was right & his son was a natural TB. He went on to be a TB in HS, & played 4 years at a D1 program.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2018, 12:01:57 PM »
I think often where problems arise is when a coach chooses his son to play QB. It doesn't matter if it's a correct choice, or the best for the team.

Coaches who don't have a child on the team aren't restricted like this.

Joe

It's a rare coach who can put his ego aside and not try to make it all about his son.  It seems like most HS QBs I've worked with or coached against turned out to be the sons or relatives of their youth coach somewhere along the line and that's how they got to play QB.

I once had the privilege of coaching a season under one of the longest tenured HS HCs in our state.  He had 2 sons go through the program and play for him and neither ever played QB.  One was 6'5", pretty athletic for his size, and could throw a beautiful spiral on a rope.  He begged his dad to play him at QB, but he made him play WB and TE in the Wing-T because he had another QB he felt was better.  That kid bulked up a bit and went on to play OL in college.  He was a fellow assistant coach on that team and still ribbed his dad over it.

Meanwhile, I once coached for a program whose previous HC had decided to move his 300lb son to QB and run the Air Raid so it could be all about him.  The kid threw reasonably well, but was lazy and selfish and there were better options on the roster.  The consequences of that one decision crippled their whole program for years after that coach and player were gone.