What defense causes your double wing problems??

[Belebuch]

Dont get me wrong, i like the DW. Always have but i see you on here stomping your feet and lighting matches for the DW offense and you dont claim it as your own offense. To each his own but i dont see anything that the DW can do that the SW cant.

I have bought products from most of the coaches on here --DC,Gregory,Cisar and Calande--and all were a great help to me being a young HC but at the same time i wouldnt call out another coach just because he runs a different scheme when you probably havent had a quarter of their success. Lets get back to talking football.

[Big_Coconut]

i thought the sand box was clean again haha guess not... good batter however... you guys are both gread coaches, and great thinkers...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_lOjgUV4No" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_lOjgUV4No</a>

[Belebuch]

Oh Yeah. Well, You're a lousy f*#%*n softball player jack!



Love that movie lol

[coachnick]

Coach, If the DW is the end all then why you have Multiple on your profile as your offense?

Just curious.

I am the running backs coach/db coach varsity hs.  i am not the head coach.

[CoachTiger]

Sticking with the original question.....how would this alignment cause problem for the DW?

Stone both TEs and Center and bring the Fred up in the middle. (4 yards) CBs head up on the WB and play as inverted safeties playing deep 1/2. 
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The idea is to cause both TEs and Center to be in the backfield stopping the pulling OG/OT from getting to the POA.  Thoughts?

[CoachCalande]

I think it depends on WHOS double wing you are going against.

For TOO LONG  many double wingers neglected sprint sweep and blast/ice type plays. I would think that you have the wedge and power dinged up but are really weak against isos and sweeps.

[coachgregory]

Sticking with the original question.....how would this alignment cause problem for the DW?

Stone both TEs and Center and bring the Fred up in the middle. (4 yards) CBs head up on the WB and play as inverted safeties playing deep 1/2. 
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The idea is to cause both TEs and Center to be in the backfield stopping the pulling OG/OT from getting to the POA.  Thoughts?

This is an internet defense that some one came up with and I have faced twice...  The only reason I know this is because the coach that used it bragged that he found it on the internet and he called it a DW killer. 

Problem is it doesn't work against us.  It is very vulnerable to sweep and to flood passes and as Steve replied ISO.   We had no problem running power against it especially when we ran OVER. We simply let the two stoners have our TE as bait and we kicked them out with the BB and QB and our BSG kicked out the remaining defender... as long as you are teaching your WB to climb tight to the wall he gets vertical with no issues...  Since the backside two defenders are stoning they we let them have our BSTE...2 for 4.

Not an easy defense to bet but beatable.  I don't think the average DW team would beat this defense but if they adapt and execute the offense they can beat it.

Jack

[coachnick]

Sticking with the original question.....how would this alignment cause problem for the DW?

Stone both TEs and Center and bring the Fred up in the middle. (4 yards) CBs head up on the WB and play as inverted safeties playing deep 1/2. 
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The idea is to cause both TEs and Center to be in the backfield stopping the pulling OG/OT from getting to the POA.  Thoughts?

you are screaming to get sprint sweeped.........or iced.....SCREAMING!!!

[CoachTiger]

Thanks for your inputs. Isn't this what this forum is supposed to be for? 

After reading all the posts, I still have yet to find any serious defense that causes problems against a DW.  Obviously, having bigger/faster/better players help, but tell me something I don't know.    I've never lost to a DW team, but unlike other years, we'll be facing a VERY good DW team this year with super fast WBs.

I guess the better way to ask the question is "IF you were facing a well coached DW offense, what defense would you run and why?"

I've had success with DC46, but our base has to be 53, Cover 3 this year.  I'm afraid it is too much of a technique difference to teach both at the youth level. (13-14)  My best bet might be 54.
 
Thoughts?

[CoachCalande]

WE run our 46 Gambler vs the dw, just like we run it vs any offense under the sun.  I wrote a good article on defending the dw with the 46 G in DWI #2 and Id suggest that many of the ideas in that article can be put to the test in any other defense as well.

"never lost to a dw team"- I assume you also had to go on offense and defeat their defense?

[coachgregory]

Tiger,

You need to run what you run best.  Modify it to meet the needs of the offense you will face...

The best defenses are the ones that are fundamentally sound, well thought out, coached well during the game, and play with good stances, alignment, and technique.  It is not so much the alignment as it is the effort and intensity that the defense gives and that goes back to the players and coaches.

IMHO...

Jack

[YCarr]

Saw this this weekend

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Inside tackles would crab to kill wedge.  BSDE would crash hard.  PS defenders would crash under the WALL.  Gave us fits, only had 3 positive offensive plays, 2 Wedges for 7, when the DTs forgot to crab and a Counter Cutback for a 65 yd TD.

I need a play to attack that backside B Gap.  What would you suggest?

[davecisar]

Saw this this weekend

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Inside tackles would crab to kill wedge.  BSDE would crash hard.  PS defenders would crash under the WALL.  Gave us fits, only had 3 positive offensive plays, 2 Wedges for 7, when the DTs forgot to crab and a Counter Cutback for a 65 yd TD.

I need a play to attack that backside B Gap.  What would you suggest?

Only 4 players to the left of your center-  run left and score at will

[coachgregory]

Saw this this weekend

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Inside tackles would crab to kill wedge.  BSDE would crash hard.  PS defenders would crash under the WALL.  Gave us fits, only had 3 positive offensive plays, 2 Wedges for 7, when the DTs forgot to crab and a Counter Cutback for a 65 yd TD.

I need a play to attack that backside B Gap.  What would you suggest?

Yao,

If I remember right you have seen our game film.  Several teams often overload like this against us thinking they have sniffed out our call side due to our wall side and what they perceive to be our featured back.

Initially - this is a 2 in the perimeter box look...POWER SWEEP or POWER PASS is a big play.  POWER KEEP with the WB faking sweep to pull the remaining defender away with the QB running up the wall will be a huge play.

13 or 23 ISO will destroy that look and we did this against St. Monica and MIS in both of our play off games last year when they did this.

Audible RAZZLE or BOOT/WAGGLE will destroy this as well...there are not enough defenders to account for the overload you are going to place on them and it comes from the sideline when you see it.  On every occassion we saw some sort of loaded over shift like this we have called an audible it has either scored (75% of the time) or we have netted 25 yards plus (the remaining 25%)...




Jack

[YCarr]

Initially - this is a 2 in the perimeter box look...POWER SWEEP or POWER PASS is a big play.  POWER KEEP with the WB faking sweep to pull the remaining defender away with the QB running up the wall will be a huge play.

We flip, so they used the FB as the key.  I run Quick Sweep and Reverse to the Quickside.  They sniffed out quick sweep pretty well, and we missed the opportunity for 6 on REVERSE, due to WB mistakes.

13 or 23 ISO will destroy that look and we did this against St. Monica and MIS in both of our play off games last year when they did this.

Having this discussion in 2 places, but I love the idea of ISO.  Just need to figure out how to do it out of DTDW.

Audible RAZZLE or BOOT/WAGGLE will destroy this as well...there are not enough defenders to account for the overload you are going to place on them and it comes from the sideline when you see it.  On every occassion we saw some sort of loaded over shift like this we have called an audible it has either scored (75% of the time) or we have netted 25 yards plus (the remaining 25%)...

Looking that up now...