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Offline oldhatnewhat

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2010, 06:29:00 AM »
i feel for you coach...it seems to get worse every year...and the parents i am having issues with are the ones whom I've never seen before--the dad who isn't the son's life, but comes to a game to make sure his son is doing him proud, the drunk dad who sits in his car every practice to, well, drink...you guys get these too?--team meetings and parent contracts don't do anything to help this.

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2010, 09:49:01 AM »
Just got an email from a parent who heard another parent  (who has been an issue since day 1) talking during our last scrimmage about how he was going to come over to the sidelines and punch me in the face cause his kid wasn't playing enough. Went on about he didn't care about going to jail and he was going to do it eventually.....

I went to the league and have asked for his kid to be removed from my team...


This is the kind of thing the league "powers that be" need to decide.  Coaches coach, and administrators, um, administrate.  If it were me, I wouldn't necessarily insist on it, at least for one second hand threat.  It wouldn't take too many of these for me to insist on it, though.   

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2010, 10:46:31 AM »
This is the kind of thing the league "powers that be" need to decide.  Coaches coach, and administrators, um, administrate.  If it were me, I wouldn't necessarily insist on it, at least for one second hand threat.  It wouldn't take too many of these for me to insist on it, though.


I would agree with you if it was just the one incident, but the incidents have been many and have gotten worse. This parent from day one of practice, even after my speech about not discussing playing time or positions, sends me the email...."I don't want to tell you how to coach your team, but my kid needs to be playing QB and Middle LB". This guys kids is the smallest kid on the team. Weighs maybe 60 pounds soaking wet. From that point it has turned into during every practice he goes around to the parents telling them how I refuse to return his emails, how I am playing favorites (even though my own kid isn't starting on offense cause there is someone better at his position) and basically just trying to rip apart the support of the team.

Then it went to him trying to buddy up to my wife and give us, "free" tickets to sporting events, which I know was an attempt to bribe me into putting his kid where he wants him. And after that he made some cash donation to the league and is trying to lean on them to force me to do what he wants.

The final straw was the threat of physical violence....I'm not intimidated by the guy in the least....his kid got his lack of size from dad.....but I have had enough. Our first game is this week and I want to spend my time teaching the kids and putting them in the best spot to win....not dealing with this guy who is trying to live through his kid cause he probably couldn't cut it back when he was playing ball.

On a side note I had the drunk parent at practice this year 2 ! First year as a head coach...trial by fire I guess...but I wouldn't give up all the good cause of a couple bad apples.....

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2010, 02:17:30 PM »
Wow, that sounds like more than enough for me to get the commish to take some action.  You have taken more than you should. 

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2010, 03:50:25 AM »
Well!  Nobody here uses my technique with the parents.   :-[ 

I don't handle the problem with parent meetings, handing out my phone number, or offer explanations.  I address this during "no pads" week.  During those three nights:

1) Every player is shown how to get in a stance
2) Every player is shown how to play center
3) Every player is shown how to  block a bag
4) Every player is shown how to throw a ball
5) Every player is shown how to catch a ball
6) Every player is shown how to punt a ball
7) Every player is shown how to kick a PAT
8) Every player is shown how to onside kick
9) We have three run times on every player

How well do we teach them?  The last time my league ran a punt, pass, and kick contest, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place positions were all won by my players.

Every player is impartially scored at all of the above positions.  At the beginning of the third "no pads" practice we announce the offensive positions.  Anyone unhappy with their position can RETEST that night against our selected starter.  About 10% will retest and every single one of them will get his butt whipped by our selected starter if I did my selections right.

In my last seven years, the TOTAL number of kids who beat out the selected starter was exactly ZERO.

If the player FAILS to get the spot he wants, he can RE-CHALLENGE at any time.

In my last seven years, the TOTAL number of kids who re-challenged the selected starter was exactly TWO.  All the rest got their butts so thoroughly whipped the first time by the starter they did not want a second humiliation.  They accepted defeat and they never once said the tests were unfair.

The two kids who did rechallenge were both proven RIGHT.  That was to my benefit.

So how many parents complained during those seven years?

ONE.

His kid (a DT) had jumped offsides something like 5-7 times in a game so I pulled him, sent in another kid, and sent him to the bench.  His dad cornered me after the game and - Yes - he was upset.  No - he didn't complain that I pulled his kid.  He understood that.  What he objected to was that I didn't talk to his kid about why I pulled him. 

That's it.  No other parent cornered me after a game.

Because it was "no pads" week, we could not test for defense.  So no starting defensive positions were given.  Fortunately, all the glory positions seem to be on offense because nobody seems to care about defense.  Nobody ever once challenged for a different defensive position.

Now!  You may notice I keep saying "over seven years".  I actually coached 17 years (plus one year of HS and one year of youth in another league.).  Those first ten years I went through all the crappola the rest of you have posted.  And I didn't like it.  Game is over, you just won, and yet three parents are in your face about their kid.  The telephone rings at home.  Some idiot is rabble rousing against you in the stands. I needed to get rid of that.  I came up with a seven part plan:

1)  We will test honestly and fairly for every position and allow rechallenges (see above)
2)  Every player has a starting position
3)  No running back can be team captain
4)  The DC Helmet Reward System
5)  The DC Defensive Substitution System
6)  Best lineman award
7)  DC Wing T

I did have ONE parent meeting which was mostly about how to boil mouth pieces and who needs a ride but did include that I informed the parents of the league MPP rule (The only coach in my league to do so) so that they could monitor their kid's playing time (Because I did not.).  DC Wing T would let me play any kid somewhere.  So with every possession change, we changed starters on the field on offense.  If you were playing in the first quarter, you were still playing in the fourth.  I didn't send out kids for X plays (the required minimum) and then have some guy next to me with a clipboard counting off their plays and then YANKING THEM OFF as soon as the MPP rule was met.  No MPP player EVER COST ME A GAME.  But DC Wing T let me keep them out there, getting in more plays than the MPP rule required.  I didn't design DC Wing T to take me to Disney World.  I designed it to solve parent-player problems.   DC Wing T makes your players look good.  And it makes you look good.  And that makes both parents and players happy.  I'm not trying to convert anyone to DCWT because I make no money if you run it.  The playbook is free.  But, if you're tired of complaints, this offense shuts up the opposition.  But, be warned, it's addictive. 

Now I ultimately had a coaching failure in finding assistants but that's another subject.   8)

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2011, 12:25:53 PM »
Put him at NT
or on the bench


This is spot-on. We had a kid like this who couldn't be trusted to play offense, was the shortest player on the team (no one could get lower on Sumo), was a wrestler and motocross rider.  We put him head up on the center and told him to get the ball.  The opposing line had no idea what to do to stop him. He was meeting the QB at the mesh point almost every time. Once they shut him down inside, he'll pull up and play like a LB and find the ball.

On offense, we would give him a few carries and tell him a general direction to run. Zig zag path, but he would get yardage. Had some trouble holding onto the ball when tackled though.  Classic ADD.
^..^ 

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2011, 01:20:56 PM »
We hold a parents meeting every year prior to the start of the season, 2 years ago we started filming every practice drill etc, just for this purpose.  We explain our philosophy, and if a parent asks qa question regarding their son, we can show them why. 

2 years ago we had kids that would keep skipping practices, however it wasn't to their parents knowledge, in dealing with one parent we simply showed her the practice film, where her son was a no show. And she simply thanked us , and punished him for 2 weeks. 

But you also have to accept there are some people you simply cant deal with in which case I simply decline to do so, by telling them when they are ready to discuss it and not argue it I'll talk to them about it.

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Re: When the parents start to turn
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2011, 04:19:19 PM »
I am too simple I suppose. " Hey, take your kid and go to house, your team needs him more than mine does." This is of course after the mandatory parent meeting at the first of the season.