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2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:48:22 AM »
4 Games so far. 

3 Jamboree Games - Win 41-7, loss 13-0 against potential championship team after our best offensive and defensive player went down on the 3rd play of the game, and Win 42-0.

1st regular season game Win 32-6 and the score we gave up was after to muffed punts on the same drive

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 11:43:59 AM »
Game 2 we won 7-6 against a much bigger, hard hitting team..  The only score we gave up was on a punt return out of our endzone.  We stuffed them on the extra point play (no kicking) and intercepted a pass on their last drive to seal it.  Our Defense won this game.

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 09:54:02 PM »
Game 2 we won 7-6 against a much bigger, hard hitting team..  The only score we gave up was on a punt return out of our endzone.  We stuffed them on the extra point play (no kicking) and intercepted a pass on their last drive to seal it.  Our Defense won this game.


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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 08:09:56 AM »
Game one

6-6 tie, gave up a 40 yard TD run due to 3 missed tackles and a blown assignment by SAM on a switch between him and Rover

Game two

24-2 win.  Gave up 1 first down. 

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2010, 08:14:11 AM »
Game 1 - Lost 21-0
Just got overpowered between the tackles.

Game 2 - Lost 34-14
Got killed off-tackle and by sweep.

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2010, 09:46:06 AM »
Do you have any film that you can post so JrTitan and some other veteran Split 44 coaches can critique for you?  I ask because the two areas where we are strongest (as should be with this D) is off tackle and outside. 

Has is been a huge talent differential?  Do you have MPP types on the defense? 

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2010, 10:13:23 AM »
I will post some clips.

We were overmatched both weeks, but even in scrimmages where we are not overmatched, we are getting gashed in our C gaps.

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 02:59:02 PM »
I will post some clips.

We were overmatched both weeks, but even in scrimmages where we are not overmatched, we are getting gashed in our C gaps.


How are you aligning DT, ILB, OLB and DE?  What coverage are you playing?

Typically when we have problems off tackle, it is one of the following:
  • DT (3 tech) is getting base blocked and not protecting the ILB (not getting off the ball)
  • ILB is not scrapping B to C gap (not reading flow)
  • OLB (7 tech) is getting handled by the TE
  • DE (wide 9 tech) is getting too far upfiled (i.e., boxing)

Typical solutions:
  • Work with DT's alignment, stance and take-off.  They need to hit the guards
  • Work on reading near back and react to flow to.  Work over the top of the down block of the OT by taking him on with his inside arm
  • Work on OLB alignment, stance and technique at the snap of the ball
  • Keep shoulders square, do not attack passed the TE's heels and squeeze the C gap keeping outside arm and leg free

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 02:01:23 PM »
DTs are mainly in 3 technique, ILBs in 20, OLBs 7 tech, and DE's  1 yard outside TE.

We are playing cover 3 or inverted cover 2 with CBs 5 yds off the ball.

ILBs are not scraping well.  We have DE's pursuing to deepest back.

Can you describe how your OLBs play from the 7 technique?

Thanks

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 02:58:27 PM »
I got  a couple questions if you dont mind........

1 what is the talent level of your DEs compared to your OLBs

2 What is your ILBs like (big and strong but slow or studs)

Just really wantin to know about the level more for my own reasons

I may respond later but as always..... Take JRs advice over mine

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2010, 03:07:35 PM »
That utube stuff is blocked by my organization.

How can they expect me to get my football done at work with them blocking everything :'(

Dang I.T.

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2010, 06:23:32 PM »
I think the wingback complicates the Gap assignments for us a bit too, because it essentially is creating another gap.  Who has the responsibility for the gap between TE and WB?  I assume its the OLB, because the DE must keep contain.

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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 06:50:44 AM »
DTs are mainly in 3 technique, ILBs in 20, OLBs 7 tech, and DE's  1 yard outside TE.

We are playing cover 3 or inverted cover 2 with CBs 5 yds off the ball.

ILBs are not scraping well.  We have DE's pursuing to deepest back.

Can you describe how your OLBs play from the 7 technique?

Thanks



Thanks for posting the video.  I know that can feel like a root canal sometimes,  After a quick look, here are a couple of thoughts:
  • Your Mike LB (left side) is not scrapping and is getting caught inside.  He is taking blockers on with his outside shoulder which is a big no-no.  Except for the times he looked like he was blitzing, he was standing flat footed and not reacting to flow.  The Will was a little better but he also was caught using the wrong shoulder.   
  • Your DE and OLB alignments looked good but your DEs are getting too far upfield at the snap.  Do not have them pursuit upfield to the nearest back. You do not want them boxing. Their read steps should be to the heels of the TE and then react to flow.  On flow way, then pusuit as deep as the deepest back.  The right DE was a little undisciolined and got caught pursuiting inside on the extra point,  He looks like an aggressive kid - you may want to try him at ILB. The DEs do not need to be particulalrly good players, they just need to be disciplined. Your left DE looked like a pretty good football player too.  He played that one sweep about as good as you can.
  • Your OLBs also looked like they were getting upfield too.  He should nuetraize the TE on the line of scrimmage until he diagnoses the play.  See the link for how we play the position http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,63.0.html
  • Great quaestion about the wing/TE gap.  We have our ILB and safety take resonsibility for that gap on flow outside.  On flow outside, the ILB needs to scrape B to D gap (the extra gap) inside out and the safety needs to be playing the alley particulalrly in Inverted Cover 2.

From what I saw the ILB play is probably the most critical thing to get fixed.  The DE and OLB execution at the snap is a little easier to fix.  I'd seriously consider switching your right DE and the Mike LB (left side).
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Re: 2010 Results with the Split 4-4
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2010, 10:42:04 AM »
Played DW and SW team this week.  Lost 6-0 due to penalties and turnovers by the offense.

Made some adjustments to the base Split that worked pretty well, but got beat outside  a couple of times on their TD drive after starting rover went down with ankle injury.


1-1-1 on the season with 14 points given up (12 by the d).