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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2011, 08:08:39 PM »
I will start with the 7 route and get it mastered. Thanks again. I'll post how it goes. (heat index was 118 today so I hope it cools tomorrow below 103 so we can get on the field)

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Its a tough little route to time up but its a route you can throw to all 5 positions and it just cant be covered at this level. They will be open....just have to hit them.

Teach the receiver to give the QB an immediate target on his second break. Teach teh QB to throw on the receiver second break.

Cant be stopped.

If I had to guess....I call more 7's than anything else. Love em.  ;) Make sure that X and Z bunch for all odd routes or the 7 runs them right off the field.

Good luck !

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2011, 04:09:19 PM »
Todd

Its a tough little route to time up but its a route you can throw to all 5 positions and it just cant be covered at this level. They will be open....just have to hit them.

Teach the receiver to give the QB an immediate target on his second break. Teach teh QB to throw on the receiver second break.

Cant be stopped.

If I had to guess....I call more 7's than anything else. Love em.  ;) Make sure that X and Z bunch for all odd routes or the 7 runs them right off the field.

Good luck !

I found 2 wr and 1 qb who appear to have potential to get this route down.  QB still waiting until WR out of his 2nd break before letting loose, but he is getting closer. I really like it out of the Y position.
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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2011, 04:14:38 PM »
I found 2 wr and 1 qb who appear to have potential to get this route down.  QB still waiting until WR out of his 2nd break before letting loose, but he is getting closer. I really like it out of the Y position.
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Rush 2 unblocked DE's at him....then he will learn not to squeeze the football. Do not allow those DE's to take a free shot. This method is only to help teach the QB to giddy up....not to teach DE's to take free shots. 

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2011, 12:17:59 PM »
system worked really well. loved 5-6-7 combo on the right side.  Put a cover 2 safety in real conflict. we were allowed only 4 practices and because of heat, we got 2.5. I still had coaches telling me we must have been practicing too much to go no huddle. It was a blast. Thanks again.

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2011, 02:05:16 PM »
system worked really well. loved 5-6-7 combo on the right side.  Put a cover 2 safety in real conflict. we were allowed only 4 practices and because of heat, we got 2.5. I still had coaches telling me we must have been practicing too much to go no huddle. It was a blast. Thanks again.

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Cool...glad you had fun.

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2011, 08:36:24 PM »
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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2011, 09:16:42 AM »
Good stuff. I notice you don't have anything showing vs a 6 man front. I watched a 6-2 defense simply kill this type of formation at the 10 year old level by bringing 6 every play and no free release for the on the line WR's. QB was scrambling to just get the ball off with a free defender coming untouched. As the kids get older they can cover more more ground on the snap and the defenders get wider and have to respect better accuracy from QB's. How would you adjust to a 6 man front using this offense and them knowing you can olny throw short "hot" routes before the QB gets sacked? Thanks.

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2011, 10:29:06 AM »
Wow, I just saw this. Great stuff and super simple. Much easier than trying to call "named" plays. Definitely need to incorporate this next season.

Like the post above though...we see a lot of gap/GAM/60 defenses.

And could it be done with just 3 receivers to get more protection? That has always been an issue with passing. Our kids aren't super big or strong and generally get eaten up by pressure. That's why, this year my passes were primarily rollout. And we didn't pass that often anyway, maybe 2-3/game.

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2011, 01:31:23 PM »
Good stuff. I notice you don't have anything showing vs a 6 man front. I watched a 6-2 defense simply kill this type of formation at the 10 year old level by bringing 6 every play and no free release for the on the line WR's. QB was scrambling to just get the ball off with a free defender coming untouched. As the kids get older they can cover more more ground on the snap and the defenders get wider and have to respect better accuracy from QB's. How would you adjust to a 6 man front using this offense and them knowing you can olny throw short "hot" routes before the QB gets sacked? Thanks.


Mathematically…a 60 front means cover 0. A 60 front means you are outnumbered at the first level. Therefore the 2-second rule is now in full force and being proven.

The issue with the 60 front is that its balanced an you are not. We practice the heck out of this but never not once have seen it on the field so this is all theory.

If facing the 60 front where the DE’s are skinny we will run QB draws ( Colorado).

If facing a 60 front where the DE’s are wide we will throw to the matchups as long as these matchups are quick routes. We never use hot routes per say. That is all built in because a 9 route can just as easily be the hot route over a 2 route, for example. 

In practice we will line up DE’s and not block them to prove to the QB that the 2 second rule will be his friend and protect him. You can align a wide DE….snap the football and release before the DE is on the QB. You can align a skinny DE…snap the football and the QB is at the LOS before the DE is on the QB. Plus in this scenario the DE does not have a free shot because he must go around the OT’s and OG’s blocking the DT’s and DG’s. Same holds true for the wide DE. He does not have a clean path to the QB due to the design of the blocking.

For any Colorado call the QB has free reign most times if he is going right or left. Sometimes I will yell out COLORADO LEFT…telling the QB to run left. But that is when we are playing a 50 front for example and the MLB seems to like to blitz from our RIGHT. 

So at the end of the day….quality snap….set and throw with the arm going forward in two seconds. No reading….no squeezing….no laces if necessary. You really don’t need em with these composite balls IF the QB is trained not to count on them. 

This also means all receivers need to give the QB quick targets. Head around immediately. If not the QB must go ahead and bean him in the back of the head to get his attention. This is also why you do not see any type of stop routes except the Bench Route. Everything ties together and keeps the QB upright.   

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2011, 01:40:24 PM »
Wow, I just saw this. Great stuff and super simple. Much easier than trying to call "named" plays. Definitely need to incorporate this next season.

Like the post above though...we see a lot of gap/GAM/60 defenses.

And could it be done with just 3 receivers to get more protection? That has always been an issue with passing. Our kids aren't super big or strong and generally get eaten up by pressure. That's why, this year my passes were primarily rollout. And we didn't pass that often anyway, maybe 2-3/game.


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If you want to do this you need to get it into your mindset that you might throw 30 times in one game. This system requires an inordinate amount of practice therefore you have to make it pay off.

The receivers need to learn trees….run concentration drills….go on air….vs a defense.

The linemen must learn to pass pro with the OT’s possibly learning a new stance. The Center must shotgun snap at least 500 footballs before the first game.

Then there is the QB….and then there is you the play caller. This isn’t something you dabble in like the Beast, for example. Its all in or forget it. You can use it as a package but it would be not wise to use this system married with the DW. Both are too expensive practice wise. If you ran the Spread I and this system…perfect.

Or even better like Big Chiefs thread that I bumped in the Offense Section….Marry the UP/DN with the Beast. That works wonders at the youth level. It yo yos the defense in ways that will blow your mind. Its actaully a beautiful thing.
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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2011, 06:12:55 PM »
Vince

If you want to do this you need to get it into your mindset that you might throw 30 times in one game. This system requires an inordinate amount of practice therefore you have to make it pay off.

The receivers need to learn trees….run concentration drills….go on air….vs a defense.

The linemen must learn to pass pro with the OT’s possibly learning a new stance. The Center must shotgun snap at least 500 footballs before the first game.

Then there is the QB….and then there is you the play caller. This isn’t something you dabble in like the Beast, for example. Its all in or forget it. You can use it as a package but it would be not wise to use this system married with the DW. Both are too expensive practice wise. If you ran the Spread I and this system…perfect.

Or even better like Big Chiefs thread that I bumped in the Offense Section….Marry the UP/DN with the Beast. That works wonders at the youth level. It yo yos the defense in ways that will blow your mind. Its actaully a beautiful thing.

This is my base formation.

....X.....................T...G..C..G...T.............Y
..........................................F...............................Z

...........................H.......Q

From X to y and Z, it's just DCWT splits. I move X in as a TE from time to time. to run power left. I can put F in a slot left to create 2x2, or move Y and Z out and stick F in the TY slot to create a 3x1. This would work in accordance with your H never overtaking rule. So I'm sure that I can get it to work. I'm just dealing with 10-11yo, so my focus would still be the run game. But maybe I can create some play action stuff with your info.

btw, how would you create a wheel route in your passing tree if for example I wanted to run a slant wheel combo?

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2011, 08:04:53 PM »
This is my base formation.

....X.....................T...G..C..G...T.............Y
..........................................F...............................Z

...........................H.......Q

From X to y and Z, it's just DCWT splits. I move X in as a TE from time to time. to run power left. I can put F in a slot left to create 2x2, or move Y and Z out and stick F in the TY slot to create a 3x1. This would work in accordance with your H never overtaking rule. So I'm sure that I can get it to work. I'm just dealing with 10-11yo, so my focus would still be the run game. But maybe I can create some play action stuff with your info.

btw, how would you create a wheel route in your passing tree if for example I wanted to run a slant wheel combo?


Stack the numbers-

Wheel – Arrow +Fade or 19
Sluggo – Slant + Go or 29
Buggo – Bubble + Go or 09 ( one of my favorites )
Squirrel – In + Out or 43
Snake – Out + Go or 39
Fat Slant – Go + Slant or 92

So if you want to combine a slant next to a wheel

2 UP Right H 19…..

X runs your slant (2)…H is tagged special with the wheel (19) and the other receivers ignore the special and continue on business as usual.

S run a 2 +2 or a 4… Y runs a 2+3 or a 5 and Z runs a 2+4 or a 6.

BTW…the last 10 year old team I coached we ran the DCWT and introduced the UP DN system….plus a little Beast….that same team the next season ( 11 year olds ) we ran the DW and a lot of the UP DN system with more Beast…that same team the next season  ( 12 year olds ) we ran the Spread I and a ton of UP DN and a boatload of Beast.

Above average team….good QB…Dan Marino slow…Dan Marino accurate…very good defense….one really great receiver and one pretty good receiver with X as our constant minimum play position…pretty good OL…a couple of above average RB’s…. won 27 games, lost 4 and won one Championship in a very competitive division. Probably passed the football over this 3 year span....15 times per game on average. One game in particular about 50 times completing around 35 vs a playoff team that we absolutley could not run against.

So...you are right there

Edit...I had some numbers mixed up
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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2011, 11:00:00 AM »
Got it. Thanks.

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Re: Mahonz UP / DOWN System....
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