DC Dallas Flex with a NG

[CoachJones]

DC, Here is the PM I was talking about.

Clark,

I have an idea on how to adjust the DCWT & DC46 to fit the rules but I was wondering if you had any ideas or advice. Here are the rules.

The ages of the teams are as follows:
C-squad        7 – 9 years old

Any player who weighs-in greater than the weight listed below will be designated as X-player
C-squad - 90lbs

C - Squad Team
1.   Twenty (20) minute running-clock quarters. The clock will not stop after extra points.
2.   No score will be kept at all games.
3.   Offense will consist of two (2) tight ends or basic squad formation (slot) at all times. Pulling lineman, unbalanced lines, cut blocks and trick plays are not allowed. Trap blocks and X blocks are allowed inside the tackles.
4.   When using the slot formation the split end cannot line up more than 10 yards from the nearest offensive tackle and the slot back cannot line up more than 5 yards from the nearest offensive tackle. Motion by the backs is not allowed.
5.   No trips formations will be allowed.
6.   No more than one hand-off per play.
7.   Teams must huddle between each play.
8.   On fourth down the offense may take a “march-off” punt of 20 yards. The team also has the choice to actually punt the ball (maximum of two times per game). This will be a free kick with no rush from the defense. The kicking team can take the result of the kick or twenty yards. Any punt may not move the other team inside its own 20-yard line. There will be no return of the punt by the receiving team.
9.   Defense must consist of a base defense (3 or 4 down lineman) in which the lineman are lined up head to head. Linebackers are five (5) yards off the line of scrimmage and cornerbacks must line-up at least three (3) yards off the line of scrimmage and outside the defensive ends.
10.   Two (2) coaches will be permitted on the field to run the huddle only and may not be present at the line of scrimmage. When the play is being run, coaches must be at least 5 yards behind the safety on defense and 5 yards behind the deepest back on offense. Coaches are not permitted to call out instructions to players after the huddles have been broken.
11.   All penalties on players will result in a 5-yard loss. All penalties on coaches will result in 15-yard loss to the offending team; however, the official may enforce a non-yardage unsportsmanlike penalty against the coach. Two unsportsmanlike calls against the coach and the coach is automatically ejected.
12.   Teams will not kick off. The ball will be placed at the team of possession's 40 yard line. (Need to go 60 yds. to score)
13.   The offensive team will be permitted 45 seconds between plays. After 45 seconds, a 5-yard delay of game penalty should be assessed.
14.   At the referee's discretion, the game clock can be stopped for an injury.
15.   Teams will be allowed 3 one minute time-outs per half. Teams are not allowed to carry over time-outs not used in the first half.
16.   The clock will stop during change of possession.
17.   Point after touchdown will be awarded as two (2) points for a successful kick or pass and one (1) point for a successful run.
18.   X PLAYERS
a)   Cannot advance the ball.
b)   If the X player gains possession, the ball is dead at that spot.
c)   Defensive X players must play line in a down position and must line up within ½ yard of the line on scrimmage. The initial movement must be forward and they may not defend downfield.
d)   An X is to be on the back of the helmet and at least 3 inches in length and in a contrasting color for all X players. The X must be on the helmet in order to participate in any game or scrimmage.

2011 REGULAR SEASON
Teams will be permitted to conduct an optional four (4) day non-contact football camp prior to the start of the first official practice.

C-squad practice will be 5 days a weeek until the start of school then practice will be 3 days a week. School starts August 24. The regular season will begin the weekend of September 3rd and 4th and consist of eight ( regular season games.

PLAYTIME RULES

All players in uniform must participate in all regular season B & C squad games. For all B & C squad games a minimum of twenty-two (22) different players for each team must play in each quarter. No two-way players will be allowed during the quarter. This means players cannot switch from offense to defense and vise versa until the change of the quarter. Once they are established as an offensive or defensive player they must remain so until the end of the quarter.


The rules are vague. It says no pulling X men but trapping is legal. I got that clarified as no X men leading down field but they are able to pull to trap another X man.

With no motion and no X men allowed down field, 47 speed and 38 rocket is out. My plan is to use the T formation and run option flow to both sides. When the D picks up on flow then the right and left cues are no deck. I am allowed on the field so I will watch the DE and call pitch or keep until I feel the QB can option on his own. Option will be practiced every night.

On D the LBs are 5 yards off  and the CBs are 3 yards off  . The cornes at 3 still gives me 2 yards to jam and bump. Sam will be another Will. The DTs are head up and I was told last year no tilt for this age group. I didn't read that anywhere .

If you have some spare time or get bored and can't find anything to do, throw your knowledge my way. I will greatly appreciate it and will share the wealth with my ACs who are wanting to go above and beyond a Daddy Coach. I even have 2 ACs who don't have any kids.

Thanks for your time,

Bob

 

Short reply to your long message:

1) Look at the DC Dallas Doomsday defense.

2) Can you play a NG?  If so, you've already won.  Expect them to pass a special rule though making your NG's illegal or they won't get a play off.

Looks to me like you can run the "Bobby Dodd" series in the manual from "T" formation.  Where a reverse is illegal, this becomes the next best thing.

::Clark::

Thanks for the reply Clark. I have your DC Dallas D and yes, I can run a NG. Bobby Dodd series is a good idea and I also have a nice article from Bobby Dodd on his belly series that I'll have to reread.

Thanks for your time,

Bob

P.S.
If you'er ever in Maryland look me up. I'll take you to Outback.

I am partial to the DC46 so if I can run a DC46 NG that would be great. What position do I sacrifice to be the NG? I'm not very defensive minded (I love me some offense) so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob

[Michael]

Wow, that's rough.

Maybe just go paper/rock/scissors instead of running plays.  If the offense wins, they get maybe eight yards.  If the defense wins, the offense gets zero yards.

[ZACH]

Mike lb, why not use the arizona call in dc46

[CoachJones]

Wow, that's rough.

Maybe just go paper/rock/scissors instead of running plays.  If the offense wins, they get maybe eight yards.  If the defense wins, the offense gets zero yards.

[CoachJones]

Mike lb, why not use the arizona call in dc46

I was thinking about that. It would be a good way to test it out.

[DumCoach]

I asked about a NG because a DC46 NG would tear center's up - especially if he's an X man.  I didn't mean play a NG in Dallas Doomsday. Have they decided a DT can't tilt for sure?  If not, just back the DT up about 6", face him at the OT, but slant him at the OG and you can play DC46.

What's not clear is if there are only three or four defenders on the line PLUS two standup DE's or if the 3-4 down linemen includes your standup DE's?

IOW, can you play 5-6 on the line?

If you're only allowed four on the line period, that requires some tweeking.

BTW, what's the base two TE formation the rules describe?

How long will you have these kids for?

[CoachJones]

I asked about a NG because a DC46 NG would tear center's up - especially if he's an X man.  I didn't mean play a NG in Dallas Doomsday. Have they decided a DT can't tilt for sure?  If not, just back the DT up about 6", face him at the OT, but slant him at the OG and you can play DC46.

What's not clear is if there are only three or four defenders on the line PLUS two standup DE's or if the 3-4 down linemen includes your standup DE's?

IOW, can you play 5-6 on the line?

If you're only allowed four on the line period, that requires some tweeking.

BTW, what's the base two TE formation the rules describe?

How long will you have these kids for?

Clark,

No tilt, maybe just a little.

I am taking it as 3 or 4 linemen with hands in the dirt and 2 stand up DEs. So, yes 5-6 on the LOS. Sam however will be considered a LB and 5-yards off the LOS or maybe he could be a 3rd CB 3-yards off the LOS. 

"Offense will consist of two (2) tight ends or basic squad formation (slot) at all times."

I said the samething. It is 2 TEs or a TE and a SE.

But then they say "When using the slot formation the split end cannot line up more than 10 yards from the nearest offensive tackle and the slot back cannot line up more than 5 yards from the nearest offensive tackle. Motion by the backs is not allowed." 

So I think it is 1 SE, 1 TE, and 1 Slot.    So, I plan on using the Slot formation.

Also, "unbalanced lines are not allowed. 

We will have a 4 day no pads camp first week of August. The second week and third week will be 5 days a week. School starts August 24 and practice will be cut back to 3 days.


They agreed with me that the rules are vague but that is about all they said. This is my second year in this league but the first as a HC. I don't want to pi$$ them off before the season even starts with to many questions and suggestions (I tend to do that).

I think I will stick with the DC46 and train Sam along with Mike and Will since they all have to be 5-yards of the LOS. Oh, I was given a reason for the 5-yards. It used to be 3-yards last year and no blitzing but teams still blitzed. So they moved them back to 5-yards to slow the D down. So basically, I can blitz. They didn't say anything specifically about Clyde blitzing from 3-yards. 

I did send them the DCWT "T" formation with the SE and TE as normal and it was approved. I can run Ends Over so they don't have to stay on the same side of the formation. The formations I plan on running are Slot, EO, WBO, and Super while staying in T.

I will post my play selection in the DCWT forum with the rules as soon as I get a chance at work. I'd like to get your input on them and install order.

Bob

[CoachJones]

Wow, that's rough.

Maybe just go paper/rock/scissors instead of running plays.  If the offense wins, they get maybe eight yards.  If the defense wins, the offense gets zero yards.

  Still laughing!

[DumCoach]

Clark,

No tilt, maybe just a little.

Then back the DT's up (Your rules allow it) and slant them at the guards.

Otherwise, the only problem with DC46 is "Sam".  Maybe blitz him at the TE on snap?  But they will be lucky to even get a play off versus a DC46 NG. 

Expect a call from the league with complaints if you run DC46 or even the refs coming over and asking you to "call off the dogs".  They may make you stop running it as most teams will be absolutely destroyed by it from the very first play of the game (Mercy rules in place 5 minutes after the game begins  ).

You can also run "Killer Bee" from the rules they've given you.  You should be safe from a "midseason rules" change from KB.  The 3 yard rule and 5 yard rules work fine for KB.

[CoachJones]

Then back the DT's up (Your rules allow it) and slant them at the guards.

Otherwise, the only problem with DC46 is "Sam".  Maybe blitz him at the TE on snap?  But they will be lucky to even get a play off versus a DC46 NG. 

I will flex the DTs and sending Sam at the TE on the snap sounds like a good plan. The TE will be looking for him after the first crack. I'll treat it like crack the cracker.

My plan is to spend a lot of time with the FB and the NG to make them both huge threats.

Expect a call from the league with complaints if you run DC46 or even the refs coming over and asking you to "call off the dogs".  They may make you stop running it as most teams will be absolutely destroyed by it from the very first play of the game (Mercy rules in place 5 minutes after the game begins  ).

That's my plan. Well not really, but I am looking to make a splash.

There is two power house teams that owns the league. One runs Cisar's UBSW and the other runs Wishbone. At the 7-9 level they don't do so well but when they get to 12-14 level they fight for the championship every year. The 7-9 team last year had a decent D and a 1000 yard rusher on O. I have him this year.

You can also run "Killer Bee" from the rules they've given you.  You should be safe from a "midseason rules" change from KB.  The 3 yard rule and 5 yard rules work fine for KB.

Maybe next year. My wife has been out of work for 7 months now and things are tight. But when I get the chance I'm going to get every DVD you have and the "Killer Bee". Reading both the DCWT and DC46 along with the forums are great but I would love to have a visual.

Thanks for your help

Bob

[Belebuch]

Maybe next year. My wife has been out of work for 7 months now and things are tight. But when I get the chance I'm going to get every DVD you have and the "Killer Bee". Reading both the DCWT and DC46 along with the forums are great but I would love to have a visual.


I hear ya on that, took me 2 weeks of eating tomato sandwiches for lunch at work to get $ for mine. came out of MY LUNCHMONEY so she couldnt dog me. plus i saved gas by riding my bike in the rain instead fo taking the suv. sometimes you just gotta find ways to sneak a buck here and there. 

well worth it.

[Belebuch]

problem is now, everytime i see ketchup i think im gonna be sick lol

[CoachJones]

I hear ya on that, took me 2 weeks of eating tomato sandwiches for lunch at work to get $ for mine. came out of MY LUNCHMONEY so she couldnt dog me. plus i saved gas by riding my bike in the rain instead fo taking the suv. sometimes you just gotta find ways to sneak a buck here and there. 

well worth it.

I have a whole garden full of tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers. I guess I can slap a tomato and pepper between two slices of cucumbers.

My wife just got two job offers so things are starting to look up.

[CoachJones]

problem is now, everytime i see ketchup i think im gonna be sick lol

I hear you, after this summer is over I'm gonna be sick of everything in my garden. It just blowed up!