revisiting the "T"

[ZACH]

My research has come full circle, flex bone, broken bone, sbv, wishbone, I, wing T.

So far i learned:
- every formation is strong with isv
- only wishbone, sbv, and wing t teams carry TE's for osv
- midline is best done from the bone
- the "T" carrys the best of all circumstances imo but is seldom used any more

My "T" info/reasons why its superior for option
- with the fb behind qb you have great angles for midline and isv
- osv and isv can be used with left/right HB
- you can run belly both sides
- run rocket
- no mo = no keys

Big problem:

If you go into 20 personnell expect 10 guys in the box, no immediate pass threat, you are testing the field.

Did te and osv get scrapped to stretch the field and have more of a pass threat?

Split t info and experoance is appreciated

[Rich Kelly]

You can run just about any play from the bone that you can from the T, however the bone is a much better formation for running triple. 

Part of the reason that Bellard went to it was how the defense had to constrict on the dive, that faster it hit the better

The quick hitting FB dive is also the the backbone of the Smith center offense- Force the defense to constrict on the FB

[jem]

My research has come full circle, flex bone, broken bone, sbv, wishbone, I, wing T.

So far i learned:
- every formation is strong with isv
- only wishbone, sbv, and wing t teams carry TE's for osv
- midline is best done from the bone
- the "T" carrys the best of all circumstances imo but is seldom used any more

My "T" info/reasons why its superior for option
- with the fb behind qb you have great angles for midline and isv
- osv and isv can be used with left/right HB
- you can run belly both sides
- run rocket
- no mo = no keys

Big problem:

If you go into 20 personnell expect 10 guys in the box, no immediate pass threat, you are testing the field.

Did te and osv get scrapped to stretch the field and have more of a pass threat?

Split t info and experoance is appreciated

Bucksweep,

I went around the world myself spending lots and lots of time on the double wing option and wishbone option before I finally settled on the HB as the dive back for the super fast quick-hit straight ahead.  My reason was based on youth players blocking abilities.  The faster we can hit the hole the better.

So the Split back formation or Wing-T formation or inverted T formation is better suited for using the HB IMO.  So that is a short version of how I got to where I am in my option thinking for youth.

{Update} However all that being said, it is a personal choice.   I would run the formation/offense that I enjoy regardless and even though I decided I like the SBV style of play, I still love the bone, and would have stuck with the bone had a I not become infatuated with the HB play.  Gotta do what you enjoy and then figure out a way to make it work for youth.  At least that is the way I approach it.  Not all coaches approach it that way... so it depends on your personal style of coaching.

My mother and I had this conversation a couple of weeks ago.  She is the type that wants the max pay for her work and the type of job she does is irrelevant, only the pay.  A job is a job and the pay is all that matters to her.  She is nearly 70 and still working full time and making more money than she ever has in her life.  I on the other hand am the type that has to love my work.  If I don't love my work then no amount of pay can satisfy me.  My mother cannot understand this thinking, she thinks I am crazy.   

Basically I have noticed the same trend in coaching types.  One type of coach will choice the most efficient offense for youth in his opinion and another type will choose something that interest him, but is not necessarily the best offense for youth. 

j

[ZACH]

Great post, makes sence ...

I remember reading a thread about you running wacker sbv, are you still?

[Bob Goodman]

Basically I have noticed the same trend in coaching types.  One type of coach will choice the most efficient offense for youth in his opinion and another type will choose something that interest him, but is not necessarily the best offense for youth.

Aren't there coaches who install something they think their players can handle, but also have in the back of their mind a system that'd be really fun for them if they ever get the right team for it?

[durfee4]

My research has come full circle, flex bone, broken bone, sbv, wishbone, I, wing T.

So far i learned:
- every formation is strong with isv
- only wishbone, sbv, and wing t teams carry TE's for osv
- midline is best done from the bone
- the "T" carrys the best of all circumstances imo but is seldom used any more

My "T" info/reasons why its superior for option
- with the fb behind qb you have great angles for midline and isv
- osv and isv can be used with left/right HB
- you can run belly both sides
- run rocket
- no mo = no keys

Big problem:

If you go into 20 personnell expect 10 guys in the box, no immediate pass threat, you are testing the field.

Did te and osv get scrapped to stretch the field and have more of a pass threat?

Split t info and experoance is appreciated

 Coach, here is pretty much what we ran the 2nd half of the season and was very good for us .We only had 3 passes from  it,and only 9 running plays mirrored.

[jem]

Coach, here is pretty much what we ran the 2nd half of the season and was very good for us .We only had 3 passes from  it,and only 9 running plays mirrored.

nice

j

[jem]

Aren't there coaches who install something they think their players can handle, but also have in the back of their mind a system that'd be really fun for them if they ever get the right team for it?

Oh yes for sure.  Most of us have done that as we grow as coaches.. I know I have.  But in the end it comes down to what we decide is our football belief system... and that is what I was referring to.  There is nothing wrong with either way in my opinion.  It is just that I noticed that most coaches end up running a system that mirrors their personality after they get experience. 

So just because I am one way.... don't think I am not knocking the other way, because I am not.  To be truthful the other way is much more practical.

However I always tell coaches to run what they want.  In the end they are responsible for the results regardless.

j

[jem]

Great post, makes sence ...

I remember reading a thread about you running wacker sbv, are you still?

The wacker book was my guiding source, but I actually ran a double tight inverted wishbone formation.  The FB was the lead blocker and the halfbacks the dive backs for OSV.  Except for lead option and OSV the rest of the plays were double wing style... wedge, power, cnt-trap.  Before that I ran double wing and single wing.  The wild cat double wing is what got me into option.

I actually had a wishbone system that another coach helped me designed based on a cool blocking system that he came up with that fell right in line with my DW roots, but never ran it because of my HB infatuation and I changed to the inverted bone before I ever tried it on grass.

I wasn't gonna coach this year because of a change in my career, but ended up coaching OLine for a daddy coach friend of mine.

However my new plan is to use the DC Wing T formation for option.  It was originally designed for youth option and is well thought out.  My problem is I love to tinker to much 

j

[durfee4]

B, thought this article would be interesting.D     http://xandolabs.com/2011/05/midlinemidline-triple-vs-odd-stack/

[Coach SB]

Coach, here is pretty much what we ran the 2nd half of the season and was very good for us .We only had 3 passes from  it,and only 9 running plays mirrored.

Very nice Coach. I have Jerry Cambells DVD which explains all of this as well on grass. TOP SHELF BROTHER!


Steve

[ZACH]

The wacker book was my guiding source, but I actually ran a double tight inverted wishbone formation.  The FB was the lead blocker and the halfbacks the dive backs for OSV.  Except for lead option and OSV the rest of the plays were double wing style... wedge, power, cnt-trap.  Before that I ran double wing and single wing.  The wild cat double wing is what got me into option.

I actually had a wishbone system that another coach helped me designed based on a cool blocking system that he came up with that fell right in line with my DW roots, but never ran it because of my HB infatuation and I changed to the inverted bone before I ever tried it on grass.

I wasn't gonna coach this year because of a change in my career, but ended up coaching OLine for a daddy coach friend of mine.

However my new plan is to use the DC Wing T formation for option.  It was originally designed for youth option and is well thought out.  My problem is I love to tinker to much 

j

Are you just going to use the formation or the whole system?

[jem]

Are you just going to use the formation or the whole system?

Formation.

I made a comment in an option thread on the DC Wing T board about stopping the motion back if he got to far ahead on option.  That is not how the real DC Wing T would work... Clark would time it up I believe.  My method was based on my experience only.  So not the system, but the formation.

j