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Offline jcarbon2

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Skip Step for pulling??
« on: January 10, 2012, 09:40:27 AM »
Anybody do this with their pulling linemen??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSwb7dvnO0U
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 10:25:47 AM »
Our first step is open towards direction flat and pull through the los. We do not  go backwards.   We instruct to pull through the centers hip .
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 11:03:01 AM »
Quote from: Coach_O on January 10, 2012, 10:25:47 AM
Our first step is open towards direction flat and pull through the los. We do not  go backwards.   We instruct to pull through the centers hip .


That is what we do :). This skip pull sounds interesting but it seems it might be to slow. But it does seem to get the shoulders square up the hole.

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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 11:19:26 AM »
We did it with our wishbone FB on our 5-7 team.

On sweeps and bootlegs, we sent the lead HB to the contain guy (DE/LB), because he had a better angle then the FB (we wanted an upfield block, not a kickout) and sent the FB to the CB.

The HB had to get out fast so he wasn't in the way of the FB.  The FB had to basically skip step to replace the HB (we definitely didn't want him cutting in front of the HB) and do it fast to stay out of the way of the trailing HB or the hand-off (depending on whether it was a sweep or a bootleg).  Then the FB took off for the CB.

The little dudes picked it up pretty fast.  And the FB always moved really fast, because the alternative was getting run over.

However, I have no idea how the speed compared to a regular pull, because I've never pulled anybody.
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 12:25:15 PM »
I do something similiar to this with my 7-8th graders.its very quick and they got moving fast.
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 06:21:13 PM »
Quote from: jcarbon2 on January 10, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
That is what we do :). This skip pull sounds interesting but it seems it might be to slow. But it does seem to get the shoulders square up the hole.


I can definitely see this for Short Trapping!! But I guess I'm too old school, I dont see a real benefit to the guy who has to pull from the backside.  ;) 
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 11:39:56 PM »
Quote from: CoachShad on January 10, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
I can definitely see this for Short Trapping!!

Seriously?  Why?  It keeps the blocker's shoulders facing upfield, but the opponent you want to trap is going to be at a considerable angle from the trapper.
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 12:04:38 AM »
Quote from: jcarbon2 on January 10, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
That is what we do :). This skip pull sounds interesting but it seems it might be to slow. But it does seem to get the shoulders square up the hole.


John

Might be an interesting reach method....a block that only NFL'rs seem to be able to do well.
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 12:42:28 AM »
Quote from: Bob Goodman on January 10, 2012, 11:39:56 PM
Seriously?  Why?  It keeps the blocker's shoulders facing upfield, but the opponent you want to trap is going to be at a considerable angle from the trapper.


Bob a Short Trap, like a guard trap, is merely moving around one position.  The Skip Step can be used as its not really that much different than the short drop step they already need to use.  On the other hand, I dont see the value added for a long trap or pull.  That could be me being a bit closed minded though.

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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 01:03:43 AM »
Quote from: CoachShad on January 11, 2012, 12:42:28 AM
Bob a Short Trap, like a guard trap, is merely moving around one position.  The Skip Step can be used as its not really that much different than the short drop step they already need to use.  On the other hand, I dont see the value added for a long trap or pull.  That could be me being a bit closed minded though.


Shad,

Us T based guys are pre-pulled thanks to our deep alignment of the OG's. We never drop step. My first step on trap is a quick 6 inch directional step to the backside tip of the ball. We end up making more of a cross block.

John

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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 05:46:03 AM »
We use this for funnel blocking( leading up through the hole) not for trapping. We do not step back but it is more of a skip with the  away foot that lands right behind where the playside foot was. It is very good for keeping shoulders square to the LOS as they run the funnel.





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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 07:49:23 AM »
Quote from: jcarbon2 on January 11, 2012, 01:03:43 AM
Shad,

Us T based guys are pre-pulled thanks to our deep alignment of the OG's. We never drop step. My first step on trap is a quick 6 inch directional step to the backside tip of the ball. We end up making more of a cross block.

John


I knew there was something squirrelly about them T based guys, they's already retreating!!  Just kidding, and yes, for the folks that are unfamiliar with OL play, Depth  does make a difference. 
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 08:24:14 AM »
John,

Before Brenden Stai left our team to coach at NU- he liked using this approach and I let him do it on his team. While I can see how it might work well on a Power or Sweep to help you clear the puller to get to the second level with square shoulders while allowing him to spy his target- for those DW or SW teams with off-set lines, Im not sure it makes the most sense. Maybe even on a fold if your next door neighbor is getting jobbed etc maybe that would work well- but certainly not on traps or G's which we run a lot of.
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 11:24:56 AM »
Coach Cox has a good video on it,he osted it here last summer.Works real well.  Ok i found the post.   Coach JR, god bless you. Found a youtube clip that is very close to my detailed poor explanation on the Hop Step kickout for the Toss/Power pull that we use. Just need to get the hips lower and use the arms as a power source to hop out with. Guess I don't need to put in DVD!
It is quicker and better than the old school bucket pull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGOe8imqFY&feature=player_embedded
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Re: Skip Step for pulling??
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 04:05:55 PM »
Quote from: durfee4 on January 11, 2012, 11:24:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGOe8imqFY&feature=player_embedded


I can't get the link to work. It says the video has been removed. Is there possibly another url where I can view it?

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