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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 12:52:30 PM »
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46 Gambler vs spread...



---------------------O-O
--------O---------------------------O
---O---------O--O--X--O--O---------------O
----C------E---T----N---T-----E----------C
--------W---------------------------S
----------------------M

------------------F


353 VS SPREAD (ASSUME COVER 3- WOULD LOOK SIMILAR IN COVER 1)

------------------------O--O
---------O--------------------------------O
----O-----------O--O--X--O--O--------------O
-----------------T-------N------T
---------L---------------------------------R
--C-------------S-------M------W---------------C

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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2012, 02:53:11 PM »
I have run a 5-3 for a long time now -- we consitantly are one of the best defenses in the league, even this year I had a undersized team that would get run over by a big agressive back and yes we would give up yardage off tackle.

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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2012, 09:51:21 PM »
Steve,

How would you line up vs 3 x 1 and empty?? (from 3-3)



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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 04:15:31 AM »
Steve,

How would you line up vs 3 x 1 and empty?? (from 3-3)


3x1 - we want to have more than one look vs this set because we feel its best to be able to a) cope with a team that wants to isolate their stud on the weak side b) defend speed option going back away from trips or c) matchup well with teams that want to run to trips etc.

Heres a couple of things we plan to do:
1) simply rotate the safety a bit and play 1/4, 1/4, 1/2
2) man up, matchup with the fs taking #3 to the trips side, bring the spur hot off the edge on the backside- puts us in cover 0 obviously
3) man up, matchup, with the fs staying free and the  single rec side spur using his SOS adjustment,  flopping over and now he takes #3 on the trips side and we are left with the fs keeping MOFC.


I tend to favor #2 a bit because I like to bring heat...but the easy pitch and catch to a talented receiver has troubled me some in the past due to short corners. (ie, 5 foot 8 trying to cover 6 foot 3, slants or fades...nice to have the spur help there to discourage the slant)

empty sets are best met with pure man and bringing 6.  If we choose to keep the MOFC then we would go ahead and FINALLY allow the offense to break the stack. I think we will call it THE PULL ADJUSTMENT pulling the stacked backer out of the box. 

from there we can talk about going to a 3-2 look in the box and doing different things based game plans.

Ultimately, Im trying to really REDUCE the whole " we could do this" thinking (grasping for the magical scheme) to a "we are gonna hit em so hard that they lose a week" - I do find that its best to mix it up at least a little though. The coaches in the league are pretty sharp and if you give them a steady diet of any one thing, theyll find a way to put you at the disadvantage. 


Heres a look at two trips adjustments...

Cover 1 intact "SOS" call to keep the MOFC.
------------------------O
--O----O---------------O
-----O----------O--O--X--O--O----------------O
------L----------T------N------T
-C-------R------S------M------W---------------C

-------------------------F

now, if we are blitzing all of the inside backers, the fred has to pick up the lone back.


heres a second look, with the fs taking #3 and the R stays free to hut rush from the single rec side (and play pitch on option)
--------------------------------O

----O-----O-------------------O
--------O--------------O--O--X--O--O----------------O
--------L---------------T------N-------T------R
----C------F-----------S------M-------W-------------C



NOTICE THAT WE ALWAYS WANT THE L OR R TO JAM/PRESS the number 2.
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 04:23:45 AM »
btw John, when we played and UPSET "Jay" back in 08, it was my very first game using the 353 and we mixed in the Gambler, we used the Gambler pretty much inside the 20s at both ends of the field and the 353 the rest of the field. We really bothered them. They had a huge tackle on our right side and I remember thinking that he was going to crush my 3 techs in the 46 but that wed stunt right by him often in the 353....thats exactly what happened, we got a lot of very good shots on their qb and a pick too.  Won the game in overtime as huge underdogs. Was pretty cool. Used a nick call to help stop the two point conversion I think.  Again, did enough things well, yet enough mix to keep them guessing....and won.  Sometimes David Beats Goliath...
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 04:34:24 AM »
Heres one look at "empty" vs the 353
------------------------------O
--O-----O----------------------------------O
-----O--------------O--O--X--O--O-------------------O
------L------------T--------N--------T-----R
--C------F---------S-------M-------W----------------C

...SIC EM!



empty "sos" adjustment...vs quads
-----O----------------------O
--O----O
-----O--------------O--O--X--O--O-----------O
-----L--------------T-------N-------T
--C-----R-----------S-----M-------W---------C

------F



AND WITH THE "PULL" ADJUSTMENT TO KEEP THE MOFC (if I actually had a stacked backer that could play man to man)

------------------------------O
----O----O-----------------------------------O
-------O--------------O--O--X--O--O--------------O
--------L-------------T-------N-------T-------R
-----C----S-------------M-------W-----------------C


----------------------F

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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 10:51:46 AM »
Steve,

How are you playing the DT's?? Is it 5, 4 or 4i?

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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 10:58:27 AM »
Steve,

How are you playing the DT's?? Is it 5, 4 or 4i?

John


I am a base head up guy (4 tech) but have  calls to move them to 5 or even 3s. We may well go to 4i instead of threes this year just to be sure we dont get reached. (its always ability that determines these things).
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 11:08:46 AM »
Let me expand on that answer....lets say its 3rd and 25....we want a good solid contain rush from our tackles and we want our ilbers to drop to hook/curl and be ready for screens.....we certainly think itd be a good choice to put the tackles in loose 5s rather than playing head up or inside shade....

I do think it makes sense to have some simple calls to put the kids in the best position to be successful.  sometimes doing the job is more important than disguising what the job is. (ie always playing the tnt in 4s might be "mysterious" but it doesnt necessarily translate to a better pass rush when you need it most.
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 11:14:02 AM »
...continuing that answer...suppose we are facing an option team....we want the dts on the dive...Im not putting them in a 5 shade now am I?....but if I did put them in a 5 shade, it might mean Im putting the sam or will behind him on the dive and putting the dt on the qb....
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2012, 11:49:09 AM »
sometimes doing the job is more important than disguising what the job is.


Right.  Hiding it doesn't help much if you can't do it in the first place.
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2012, 12:02:24 PM »
Ran the 53 my first two years of coaching. Simple and effective defense. Works great with slice and cut technique by your dline and allows the backers to swarm to the ball. Great killer bee mentality scheme !
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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2012, 12:05:26 PM »
Ran the 53 my first two years of coaching. Simple and effective defense. Works great with slice and cut technique by your dline and allows the backers to swarm to the ball. Great killer bee mentality scheme !


Coach,

How did you line up and play it?? What did you do vs spread sets??


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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2012, 04:13:44 AM »
we ran a true 53  cover 2 / 3 last season with a  midgets 14 and under unlimited team we went 13-1 and only gave up 9 TD's http://youtu.be/yf3UGwtlmWE

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Re: Any REAL 5-3 guys around??
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2012, 12:38:10 PM »
we ran a true 53  cover 2 / 3 last season with a  midgets 14 and under unlimited team we went 13-1 and only gave up 9 TD's http://youtu.be/yf3UGwtlmWE


Coach,

I like what you did vs the one back set. Did you funnel #2 to safety??